I'm sure you've all been waiting with baited breath to find out what I thought about Sith. Yeheh. Gotta be honest: I didn't love it, and for the first few minutes after leaving the theater, I wasn't even sure I liked it. Truth be told, I think I was just overly spoiled. I'd read every last aspect about the movie prior to seeing it. Hell, I'd seen stills from every major scene, pretty much frame by frame. The movie had no chance of surprising me, and in many ways, it never had a chance to win me over: Having only seen the stills, I had weeks and months to make up in my own head how the scenes were going to play out. That rarely works in favor of the actual product.
But beyond all that, it's easily the most literally exciting of the prequels. I dug the entire "Order 66" sequence, one of the only parts of the entire prequel trilogy that got a genuine emotional response outta me. Palpatine's various freakouts were also a plus. Bleh. Gimme a few weeks...hopefully I'll come around.
In other news, the reason you didn't get a new article this past weekend is because I was out of town -- so that means you get a, drumroll, trip report this weekend. And how.
REPLIES: 142 comments
Hey don't worry Matt....you're not totally alone here
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/23/2005 08:53 PM EST
Yeah I know I posted this in the previous thread but i think people should check the similarities to the feelings expressed about ROTJ in 1983 and ROTS in 2005. Plus its kinda cool to see a newsgroup that was made in 1983 as well....
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/23/2005 08:56 PM EST
click here for it
oops sorry....
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/23/2005 08:57 PM EST
Great! Can't wait to read the trip report.
Chestnuts roasted by d-roc @ 05/23/2005 09:00 PM EST
Yeah, i saw it last night and i thought it was actually really good compared to the last 2. I was expecting it to kinda suck though, so maybe going in with no expectations was good. I enjoyed vader's torso getting toasted. The part that sucked the most about it was the scene where vader gets built. it was cool until he goes 'NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO'!, cause it was so horribly done it actually made me laugh out loud.
Chestnuts roasted by Connor S @ 05/23/2005 09:15 PM EST
well, it's the general feeling everywhere I suppose...
It's better than the first two episodes but still not even close to the original trilogy...
Excluding the typical flaws I liked the flick quite a lot.
Went to the theater dressed up as Vader and was as blue as a rotten cheese can be...So I got cool response on many parts. I loved Ewan McGregor's performance and hated the shrieks of Mace Windu when the general feeling is that, in Star Wars, people who get severed body parts tend to accept it without much fuss about it.
well, what can we do...I'll have to watch it millions of times until I have no option but to say that I simply love it...i'm a Star Wars fan, what else can I do!
Chestnuts roasted by melonian @ 05/23/2005 09:20 PM EST
sighs
I gotta say, I liked the movie _much_ more than I thought I would. The fact that Anakin and Padme act much more natural helped immensely. Also, Matt, I agree about the Order 66 sequence, it gave me chills! As did the very end of the movie, the creation of the Vader we all know and love was very well done. Overall, the movie is a tragedy in the classical sense, and I like that in a film. Too many movie cop out for the smarmy, feel-good ending. That is all I have to say!
Chestnuts roasted by Lord Corwin @ 05/23/2005 09:35 PM EST
"and hated the shrieks of Mace Windu when the general feeling is that, in Star Wars, people who get severed body parts tend to accept it without much fuss about it."
Well, when Luke got his hand cut off in ESB, he screamed like a girl IIRC.
And Matt, I hate to say it, but I think you ruined the movie for yourself by not avoiding spoilers. I didn't have a clue what I would be seeing until I actually saw it, and thus had no chance to dream about how things were going to work.
Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 05/23/2005 09:37 PM EST
I just talked about this in my journal.
I saw it to appease my husband, who loves Star Wars, and even HE didn't like it.
It was totally flat. Like a two hour lightsaber fight with no emotions in it at all. I hated it.
It felt like George Lucas didn't think about it at ALL...it was rushed and way too sloppily shoved together. It had no substance at all. It was a big cop-out, like they didn't want to take the time to pull you into it emotionally.
Fight. Fight. Fight. Yoda. Fight. Fight. Fight. Really weak lovey dovey scene. Fight. Fight. Go to the Dark Side. Get physically crippled. Fight. Fight. Fight. Get Darth Vader suit. Fight. Fight. End.
I guess at least I attempted to like it. But it was honestly one of the worst things I've seen in a LONG time. Except for Sahara (I only saw it because it was the first feature at the drive-in)...Sahara, now, was unbearably TERRIBLE.
Chestnuts roasted by Devin @ 05/23/2005 09:43 PM EST
I, too, could not help myself from laughing at Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" scream. It just wasn't...vader-like, was it?
Other than that, the best part of the movie was the whole "order 66" thing. Seeing the Jedi being betrayed, and they, seriously, just could not have conceived that anyone could betray them. It was sort of like if Santa Claus put a bomb in your stocking - they didn't see it coming. Well, I though it was emotional, anyway.
Chestnuts roasted by Road Block @ 05/23/2005 09:46 PM EST
Loved it and wanna see it again. I feel like this was what people were expecting from the last two. I actually did like Clones though but Episode one I wanted to like but it was just too bad.
Chestnuts roasted by Pat @ 05/23/2005 09:59 PM EST
I don't think anyone laughed at the "NOOOOO" when I watched it. I don't see what so bad about it. Not Vader like? That's just...
Chestnuts roasted by dohopoki @ 05/23/2005 10:15 PM EST
I hate to come down on it, you all know how much I love everything Star Wars. :/
Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 05/23/2005 10:15 PM EST
The "NOOOO" wasn't as bad as some of the reports I'd read said.
All Padme/Anakin lines were cackled at by the audience without mercy, though.
Many were confused by Palpatine's transformation, too.
Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 05/23/2005 10:18 PM EST
As far as Vader's "NOOOOOOO!!!" scream... I thought it was done very well. Keep in mind the only Vader *we* know is from almost 20 years later (from episodes 4, 5, and 6). When Anakin became Vader in ROTS, he was mere hours (or days?) away from being regular whiney Anakin. Why should putting on the whole Darth Vader "costume" make him instantly 100% Darth-like?
I also avoided as much information about the movie before I saw it, and I believe it helped me enjoy it that much more. I had no preconcieved notions of how things should play out, and therefore was able to enjoy it without thinking "That wasn't how I thought the scene should play out", or "They didn't do that in the novelization!" My 2 cents. Expect little, get a lot, be happy. Expect a lot, get little, be ticked.
Episode 1 sucked. Episode 2 began to redeem for the suckiness of Episode 1. Episode 3 was definately the best of the 3.
My number one complaint was that the whole movie looked way too computer generated. Never once did I feel like the characters were actually in a physical "location". They looked like, well... like they were acting in front of a green screen. It just didn't feel real, especially after going home and watching Episode 4. Still loved it though, can't deny it.
Chestnuts roasted by Joshua Wells @ 05/23/2005 10:21 PM EST
I really hated it the first time watching it. Keep in mind it was a midnight showing, surrounded by people with $150 replica lightsabers, months of hype, and I was spoiled silly. After seeing it again though, I think it's grown on me. I dare say it's better than Jedi. Blasphemy!
Chestnuts roasted by billionsknivez @ 05/23/2005 10:36 PM EST
I thought it was fantastic. I really have no complaints, and this statement surprises the hell out of me.
I went to see it yesterday with my girlfriend, a buddy from work, and his fiancee. My girlfriend, from here on known as AMF had never seen any of the Star Wars movies prior to a month ago, when I put her in basic training. We ended up watching "Clones" Saturday night, and the questions she asked me regarding said film reminded me of it's flaws (at the time, I really dug it, but, time has not been kind). Both of us adored Episode III. I was expecting a major letdown, and was at least as spoiled as Matt.
What I found was an exciting film that made me feel like a ten year old again. Certainly, there was some wooden acting, but, for the most part, I wasn't even bothered by this.
What I saw were awesome-looking clones that brought me back to the excitement of seeing the snow troopers of "Empire" and the bikers of "Jedi," what I felt to be a great performance by Hayden Christiansen, and a lot of, well- great movie.
I don't think you're crazy, Matt. But, I hope the movie ends up finding some fondness in your heart.
As a side note- I hit the 7-11 for a Vader Slurpee, and the machine was acting funny, spurting and splurting, and such. I had three sips, threw it away, and left the bodega with a flourish.
Chestnuts roasted by Adam @ 05/23/2005 10:47 PM EST
Just saw it today, had to say i liked the action sequences, however the romance dialogue between anikin (sp?) and padme was beyond cheesy,
and the wookie thing just seemed tacked on for no real good reason other than needing to have a chewbacca reference
other than that great movie all around
Chestnuts roasted by Gene @ 05/23/2005 10:48 PM EST
I feel precisely the same way. I went in REALLY REALLY wanting to love this movie. But I can't just because everything seemed really forced and rushed. I hope I start to like it with subsequent viewings. I definately left the theatre unhappy.
Chestnuts roasted by Mike @ 05/23/2005 11:00 PM EST
I don't know. I still think the Order 66 was okay. I would rather Anakin take down a few more Jedi than the troopers.
Matt, maybe the spoilers were too much. I went in fresher on this one than I had the other 2 and really liked it. I hope you come around because if you don't, expect a collective "NOOOOOOOO!"
Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/23/2005 11:01 PM EST
Also. General Grievous is the worst character in the history of films. He can cough like he has lungs, but he can also fly in space! How awesome!
Chestnuts roasted by Mike @ 05/23/2005 11:02 PM EST
"NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOooooooo!"
*wakes up sweating* *checks self and realizes he's back in bed with Padme* It was all a dream! I never became Darth Vader! It was all a dream! Padme? *looks over to Padme only to see a wrinkly faced Palpatine smiling up at him* "Hold me like you did in the Opera House, Ani! You are mine now...it is your DESSSSSStiny!" *wicked witch laugh*
"NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
Chestnuts roasted by Little Orphan Ani Vader @ 05/23/2005 11:04 PM EST
I went completely and totally out of my way to avoid any spoilers. I read nothing and never even watched the trailer. Anytime the tv spot came on I would promptly change the channel. So, when I saw the first night's midnight showing, I went in ready for anything. Subsequently, I really dug the film. I don't understand why people would want to spoil such an epic event.
Chestnuts roasted by Eddie Lightning Frog @ 05/23/2005 11:31 PM EST
A few thoughts on the "NOOOOOO!!"
One reason I liked the film so much was the many parallels between this and Jedi Specifically, the Anakin vs Dooku fight at the beginning (in which Anakin's killing of Dooku contrasts his son's later sparing of his own life.
in ESB, Luke screams out a "NOOOOO" very much like Vader's when Luke finds out Vader is his father.
Maybe it wasn't intentional, but I think Vaders scream nicely parallels that of his son.
Of course, I am a philsophy minor. Maybe I'm thinking too much. 
Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 05/24/2005 12:37 AM EST
I'm going to bring my little brother to see it on Friday since he couldn't come with me on opening night.
Isn't it odd how kids can look at something and only see the beauty in it? I mean, every kid I've talked to has loved Episode III. It's like every adult SW fan went to see the movie just so they could pick it apart and get themselves a quick ego-boost or something. A real fan would be true through thick and thin.
Chestnuts roasted by Dean @ 05/24/2005 12:54 AM EST
wow you bring up a good point matt. i too spoiled myself with this one. read the script and even saw the stills for about every single scene also. it probably did ruin it for me. although i have been playing out these scenes in my head for over 23 years.
hithchikers guide made me feel more excited before/during/and after, than this did. i think why some of us are so pissed is because we made up our minds that this was supposed to be the end all be all of sci-fi fantasy movies. i hate to say it but the last harry potter movie was more fun than this.
i will say though if i traveled back in time to when i was 8 and made my young self watch the prequel trilogy i think my young head would explode from excitement. i guess thats all that matters. when i was playing with star wars toys i never followed the story lines. and my dialog for the characters was way worse than what Lucas could ever write. actually maybe not. i take that back.
Chestnuts roasted by evadrad @ 05/24/2005 01:28 AM EST
Hmmm Matt you must have seen it with a hip crowd. I've seen it twice, in theaters packed with kids and they've been into it 100%. It felt like I was the only cynical person laughing at some of the clunkier bits. I was not wowed by the movie at first but it just keeps growing on me, I hope it will do the same for you. (I loved Clones the first time and hated it subsequently).
Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/24/2005 01:56 AM EST
I hate all of you..."Ive seen it two...three...four times..."
By the way, a synaposis our last football game, three hour bus ride, threw up, offense couldn't do anything, defense couldn't stop the flow of water and well...
50-0.
Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz
P.S. Happy belated birthday Manimal.
Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/24/2005 02:31 AM EST
Erik, if it makes you feel any better I've only got six BK toys and can't imagine how you've managed to get so many 
Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/24/2005 02:47 AM EST
I dunno, it sounds like people are trying to convince themselves that its a good movie. I mean, it's all about meeting YOUR expectations. If it did it for you, then great! If you found it disappointing, that's ok too. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece just because the "Star Wars" name is slapped on it. But then again, I freely admit that Star Wars isn't my religion, so what do I know? Lucas will probably update the CGI and add new scenes when the "prequel trilogy" goes to Blu-Ray or whatever the next video format is anyhow.
In any event, I think the real test for this movie will be watching it again in a couple of years when the hype isn't so fresh in everyone's minds. I remember when Attack of the Clones came out it garnered a LOT of praise...some people were actually saying that it surpassed Empire Strikes Back. Nowadays the majority of the opinion seems to be more in the negative.
So let the "last Star Wars movie" hype die down a bit, and let the movie stand on its own merits to properly judge it.
Chestnuts roasted by snickers @ 05/24/2005 02:53 AM EST
Well, I stepped on the scale, and have two stepdaughters, so I guess I can assume I got fat that way. My wife on the other hand, she's pregnant. I'm at fault on that one too.
Sigh...
Looked on eBay, some schmucks are selling entire sets for like $80. I guess it would be healthier that way.
I wish I had kept my Darth Vader unopened, there are only like two in every box.
I have Darth Vader, Bobba Fett (doesn't work), Mace Windu, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Han Solo w/Carbonite, Clone Trooper (how cool would like fifty of them marching across your floor look like?), Jabba the Hut, Darth Maul, Emperor Palpatine, Wampa, Chewie, Padme, and Leia.
Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz
Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/24/2005 03:38 AM EST
2 more days until it opens in Korea.......2 more days.....*bites fingernails while shaking*
Chestnuts roasted by Muppet Baby @ 05/24/2005 03:51 AM EST
Ooh, trip report. Can't wait.
Do anything special yesterday, Manimal?
Chestnuts roasted by trajeal @ 05/24/2005 06:55 AM EST
Matt im right there with you.......I saw every spoiler...every single video i could download yadda yadda yadda...but I actually loved it. After seeing it 4 times now i think i can pass a true and honest oppinion of it. The beginning was good..allthough it suffered from too many bad jokes, a little too much R2...and ANNOYING BATTLE DROIDS!!!!,but man when Mace and the posse barged in on Palpy.....GODDAMN i got goosebumps!
Portman upset me, bad acting on her behalf, Hayden did a great job this time around with the acting, and Ewan Mcgregor at the end of the film actually made me tear up a little..(" it was said you were to destroy the Sith.. not join them, you were my brother...i loved you!!!!!) Ewan nailed the emmotion perfectly...chilling just chilling.
This to me was The Star Wars that was most like Star Wars. I LOVED The Phantom Menace. I thought it was the perfect setup movie...in my eyes it was as slow as A New Hope can be from time to time. To me Attack of the Clones is the film that is not Star Wars at all. I think its kinda the bastard child of Star Wars. Bad acting, bad CGI, horribly forced love story so on. I did however love Count Dooku and thought he is one of the Sagas better villians(even better than Maul or Jango!) Well that was my opinion sorry if it was long and drawn out....im just a huge fan of the Saga....had to jump at a chance to play the role of Roger Ebert.
Chestnuts roasted by Ralph @ 05/24/2005 07:44 AM EST
You know, sometimes I wish I had the innocence of my youth back. I think the problem with the movie is that, well, it's not really made for adults. If you think about it, the majority of people who have seen the originals are in their late 20's early 30's and older. They were kids when they saw it. I saw it a third time with my 2 younger cousins (8 and 10) and they absolutely loved the hell out of this movie. IT was the 10 year olds birthday so there were about 5 other kids with us and I wlll tell you, some of them had their jaws on the floor when watching this movie. If you think about it, if you were their age, you'd probably wouldn't give a shit about the acting, and even if you did, your not cynical enough or so uptight where it would ruin the movie for you. Hell, even the OT isn't exactly Oscar winning caliber as far as performances go. Since so many of us have the nostalga for it though, I doubt anyone would admit, that in reality, they were kid of campy and cheesy as hell too.
My point is, all these critics, all these fans are now much older, and it takes alot more to wow them and hit them emotionally. Considering we live in a world where tearing things apart is so much easier and fun, apparently, some people just forget to try to be a child again and LET themselves enjoy it. Isn't that what it's supposed to be about?
I'll give you a perfect example. The G1 series (Transformers) in retrospect was one shoddy, poorly animated cartoon series. A 23 minute toy commercial, completely devoid of any structure. As a kid, I, and most other people didn't care. As an adult, I will defend it to no end because it's part of my childhood. HEll, even the movie was God-aweful at times. I will however not readily admit it. Nowadays, the newer versions (Armada, Energon and soon Cyberton) get ripped on because they were not as good as G1. Hell, they animated waaaayyy better and actually have some sort of story. But these grown men are so blinded by nostalgia and loyalty to the original, they can't see it. I think the same goes for Star War and the prequels...
Or maybe I'm just crazy....perhaps that lava bath I took for a few cycles has something to do with it.....
Chestnuts roasted by XGalvatronX @ 05/24/2005 10:25 AM EST
It's been touched on a couple times already, but how about a new poll Matt? Ask for short responses. Give:
Your age
Rate the movie, 1-10.
I have a feeling that the older you are, the less you liked the movie.
(28 & 7 for me.) I'm still hoping the movie grows on me. Please Please Please....
Chestnuts roasted by bad karma @ 05/24/2005 10:29 AM EST
Thanks for all of the b-day greetings. Had a so-so day at work but Mrs. Manimal and E. Claire made it one of the better b-days in recent memory.
CAMERON T.-Hats off to a fellow philosophy minor. We should be CEO's any second now.
I give the movie a 7 overall (8 for a SW movie)
Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/24/2005 11:09 AM EST
I liked EP3 much better than 1 & 2 but I walked away from all 3 with the same nagging thought.
Palpatine has outplayed and out manuevered every schmuck in these films. From the Senate to the Jedis to the Trade Federation and even Yoda. Doesn't he kinda deserve to be the supreme ruler in that case?
He didnt inherit, buy or stumble into his power. he worked for it, step by step, stone by stone and I end up really respecting his character more than any other when the credits roll.
Chestnuts roasted by Cpt USA @ 05/24/2005 11:21 AM EST
Yeah, I'm a huge anti-fan of the Eps I and II. Watching Episode I is like pulling teeth. But I came around for this one. I actually enjoyed it, maybe even liked it. I think Lucas took a step forward as a director.
My biggest complaint, as with the rest, WHAT FUCKING SHITTY ACTING!!!
Damn you Hayden, you pussy bastard. Take some classes and stop ruining my classic childhood movies!
Ah, now that I've got that out of my system. Like I said not such a bad little flick.
I just hope to all heaven that American doesn't fall for this 3-D film gimmick Lucas is going to pull on us. Stupid, stupid.
I can't wait to suck into a Darth Dew, especially if its Pitch Black w/ name Remix. Pitch Black is just like carbonated Purplesaurous Rex.
ps- I love trip reports.
Chestnuts roasted by Don't Touch, Willy. @ 05/24/2005 12:03 PM EST
At the Star Wars con in Indianapolis Lucas mentioned a live-action TV series. One-hour episodes, and they'd film all three planned seasons together. It will supposedly be gapping episodes 3 and 4.
Chestnuts roasted by Review the World @ 05/24/2005 01:14 PM EST
Anyone else scared all to hell over the disasterous consequences of not following the dictum of "If you love something set it free"?
Not letting go makes you lose the very thing you're trying to hold on to.
Scared the bejesus out of this emo kid =(
Chestnuts roasted by Knegative @ 05/24/2005 01:20 PM EST
I've been saying this on about every message board I've come across that where someone frowns at Grievous' coughing spats, so I may as well say it again.
General Grievous had both organic eyes, a heart, and lungs. He was very obviously a cyborg, not an android. It's really not that ridiculous for him to be coughing. Especially since I've heard that Mace Windu crushed his chest in the second season of the Clone Wars cartoon(Sadly I haven't seen it, as I haven't had cable for over a year).
On the one hand, Star Wars has never really addressed the concept of cyborgs, so I guess it makes sense for people to frown at Grievous and wonder what the hell he's supposed to be. Even Vader is never really refered to as a cyborg in any of the films.
Chestnuts roasted by Brian @ 05/24/2005 01:43 PM EST
I think what Lucas should've done was not done Phantom Menace at all started at Attack of the Clones, made Revenge of the Sith the second movie, and then made another movie to bridge the gap better. Really there was nothing important that happened in Phantom Menace that couldn't have been summed up in the opening crawl for Attack of the Clones. The reason I bring this up is honestly the part of the movie (ROTS) that killed me was everything after Obi Wan mauls Anakin. The editing started making my head spin and the pace of which everything was happening was a little too relentless. NOw I understand that they have time contstraints and yadda yadda but most people knew what happened anyways which leads to my point. If another movie was to be made these events could have been presented at a much better pace plus you'd get a peek into Vader's training as a sith and other events that transpire in between ROTS and ANH. Is this actually what this supposed Star Wars TV show is going to present to us???? Or is it going to be a bunch of expanded universe crap???
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/24/2005 01:47 PM EST
Tony the Tiger, R.I.P.
Chestnuts roasted by jhnnywalkr @ 05/24/2005 02:15 PM EST
I agree with Cpt. USA. I mean, after all this, isn't the Dark Side stronger (and not just quicker, easier, and more seductive)?
One more "here here" is in order for phunqsauce's notion that Episode I was a non-event. Nothing happened. We met the characters and Palpatine becomes chancellor. WASTE OF TIME WHEN THERE IS SO MUCH GROUND TO BE COVERED.
Man, I have been posting a lot.
Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/24/2005 02:16 PM EST
Don't worry, Manimal. At least you have coherant postings. Not like my "Snippets of TV shows and fear of a Melting Grimace" paragraphs. Little Brother is coming down for Memorial Day weekend, and we might go see ROS then. I know I'm getting a Darth Dew though. Anyone get that Xavix Lightsaber TV game? Is it worth getting?
Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/24/2005 02:32 PM EST
I agree with what someone said earlier: If you were going to root for anyone in this trilogy, it was Palpatine. He did everything perfectly and was just an all-around cool character. For an actor I only otherwise know for a throwaway role in Sleepy Hollow, it's amazing how much I'd like to buy Ian a drink and beg him to make gnarly noises.
Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 05/24/2005 02:37 PM EST
After seeing this movie, I keep thinking one thing...why didn't they just keep Darth Maul until this movie? He was pretty much the only character people liked in TPM, and even then he barely had any screen time. Then Dooku was only in the last 30 minutes of AOTC, and then gets killed in the first 5 minutes of ROTS. It would have had such a greater impact when Anakin finally kills him in this one if Maul had already beaten Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, then Obi-Wan and Anakin. Now, Anakin just easily kills this guy that is too old to begin with. Plus, you have 3 movies, 3 apprentices. Makes them seem weak or something. You could have just had Maul escape somehow in TPM to fight another day.
Chestnuts roasted by Y2JB78 @ 05/24/2005 02:50 PM EST
I agree with Matt. Palps was so close to his goal. And along with that Ian McDiarmid was the star of ROTS by far. There are some insane fanboys saying that he deserves an oscar for his role. Now I agree he did a good job but not a job the academy would blink an eye at because its probably not "sophisticated" enough or they'd make any excuse in the book probably...I have a quick question (and i really don't expect anyone to know this off hand) but what does Sidious scream right before he chucks Mace out the window. I've seen it plenty of times i still don't understand what he says....
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/24/2005 03:02 PM EST
nevermind, my lazy did some research..... supposedly he says: PALPATINE: Power! Unlimited power!!
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/24/2005 03:08 PM EST
If you go to www.supershadow.com you can read the entire script.
I liked Ep.3 sad when the clones killed the jeds and ya the no sucked but remember that wasnt the darth vader from the org trilogy it was the annoying little anikin kid.
I give it * 5 stars
Chestnuts roasted by JAM @ 05/24/2005 03:10 PM EST
Well, I didn't read all of the comments from the last 2 blogs, but as a lifelong SW fan (since I was 5 years old) who was kind of disappointed with Phantom (although I didn't hate it) and fairly satisfied with AOTC, I have to say that I absolutely loved Sith. I had all kinds of emotional response from this movie. I thought there were a lot of subtleties (like Yoda's Dagobah theme playing before he went to face the emporer, or the younger sounding Vader voice after the implants were added) and that this was just a plain all out exciting film with lots of great action and good story. Sure there were flaws, but all SW movies have some type of flaw. And I have to say, it made me like AOTC and even TPM better. This movie finally has me as excited about Star Wars as I was as a kid.
Chestnuts roasted by a piece of milk @ 05/24/2005 03:34 PM EST
I liked Ep. III well enough. For all the many ways we can gripe about it, it was the first time in quite a while I actually had *fun* at the movies.
But damn. When did Padme become a sissy girl? I know, she was pregnant and hormonal. And Ep. III is supposed to be very tragic. But all Padme did throughout the movie was cry and cry and cry like a bitch. Her only redeeming moment was flying out to confront Anakin right before the fight with Obi-Wan, and even then she sobbed her way through it.
This is the same girl who refused to be left behind in Ep. I, and fought beside the big boys. This is the same girl who kicked ass up, down and sideways in Ep. II.
It is just too much for me to believe that she could become a total pansy just because she got married. And it is also too much for me to believe that she would just give up the will to live. That wasn't poetic or romantic, that was just stupid.
But again. I had fun watching Ep. III and will see it again.
Chestnuts roasted by stacy @ 05/24/2005 03:36 PM EST
Matt, I need your help... recently I read the entire Photog entry, comments and all, and needless to say I'm impressed... well, I got a mission for you and your readers (includng myself)... I need to find out more about a man named Brian Peppers... just search the name on yahoo or google image search and you'll find one of the most hideous human beings known to man... i just want to know what happened to his face and why he's an ugly sex offender... thanks!
Chestnuts roasted by gino @ 05/24/2005 04:00 PM EST
After the whole thing is over, I just want to hear Vader say in his big JEJ voice, "Spinning's a good trick!" After all this man said in a bit on Late Show: "Dear lord! My pants are on fire!"
Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/24/2005 04:09 PM EST
Ew.
Chestnuts roasted by jhnnywalkr @ 05/24/2005 04:10 PM EST
To those people saying "oh you must not have loved it because you're an adult..." Hey. The Incredibles was more of a kid's movie than Sith was, and yet it was still GOOD. I'm sorry, but if someone didn't absolutely love Sith, you need to allow for the possibility that maybe it's just not as wonderful as you think it is.
Chestnuts roasted by Jen @ 05/24/2005 04:54 PM EST
This film for many fans is definitely creates a love/hate relationship. I just wished they had done more tempting of Anakin in AOTC towards the Dark side, so his transition into Vader would had of taken place sooner in ROTS, less Hayden is a good thing.
Was it me or did it seem that Lucas tried to wrap up a good 45min to 1hr of footage towards the end into about 20 min. It's like he pulled it all out of his ass, like Padme and the naming of the kids, yoda a& Obi-Wan splitting town and the separation of the twins...
All in all a semi good film.... I did enjoy all the scene's with the vintage props and stages...
Chestnuts roasted by Nutria @ 05/24/2005 05:25 PM EST
Amen Nutria
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/24/2005 05:38 PM EST
I drove around for 1 1/2 hours trying to find teh theatre to see it on the digital projection screen. I loved it the first time so I'll probably see it a few more times in the theatres.
Chestnuts roasted by modern day pirates @ 05/24/2005 05:53 PM EST
in return of the jedi, princess leia says she was very young when her mother died, but she remembered she was beautiful, and always sad.
In sith, the mother dies when they are born.
That annoyed the living hell out of me, cause it shows they just dont give a shit anymore.
Beyond that, the dialogue annoyed me, more stupid fake ass love scenes, except the one where padme (who can't act anyways) confronts darth vadar, that was an emotional part and she actually pulled it off for once.
However, I found the movie pleasing, there was enough good parts to outweigh the annoying ones.
Chestnuts roasted by the80sruled @ 05/24/2005 07:26 PM EST
oh yea one fo the worse dialogues is when Yoda, after getting owned by palp, exclaimed : " now I go into exile!" wtf? That quick you come to that conclusion? Like seconds after you lose, you say well, gave it a good run, now I go to hide like a lil beatch. I understand having to hide and all, with the sith in full power now, and loads of jedi destroyed, but come on, give it atleast a day or two to think about lol.
Chestnuts roasted by the80sruled @ 05/24/2005 07:29 PM EST
lol ya the80sruled i agree with you 100%
Chestnuts roasted by your right @ 05/24/2005 08:54 PM EST
the80s, the adopted mom/real mom Princess Leia thing was discussed in the last blog entry. It's not a plot hole or continuity problem.
As far as Yoda going into exile, all I can offer is the fact that the entire Republic was behind Palpatine and believed the Jedi were dangerous traitors. The only people Jedi would be safe with were the beginnings of the rebellion (Organa, Mon Mothma).
And speaking of Mon Mothma, wtf? I can understand and support the cutting of Bai Ling, but why couldn't Mon Mothma be spared? Or was it a blinkandImissedit?
Matt not being enamored with ROS sort of reminds me of how X-E got us all exhilarated for Xmas, but then when it actually rolled around the man himself wasn't all that thrilled.
Call me a sap, but I swear I was rooting for Anakin to stay away from the dark side...and yes, I'm fully aware how silly that is...I couldn't ever root for Palp, but I gotta give him props for pulling wool over the eyes of all these Jedi masters who couldn't spot the dark master right under their noses. So big ups to Notorious E.M.P. for the machevellian machinations.
Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/24/2005 09:05 PM EST
So umm...Hyperspace travel takes zero time now?
Chestnuts roasted by Jonas @ 05/24/2005 11:57 PM EST
did anyone notice the various random vader breathing noises throughout the film that would last for like a split second. like theres one after anakin helps kill mace, theres one before the obi wan/anakin duel. theres one with him and padme. there were more but look for them. i even noticed some in Episode 2. mostly for all the little events forshadowing vader. it blends in with the music.
Chestnuts roasted by shades @ 05/25/2005 12:10 AM EST
stacy: "Hi, I'm Padme Amidala-Skywalker. My husband is now a psychopathic murderer that betrayed his Order, killed his friends and masters, then butchered children. He also stated his desire to rule the galaxy as a dictator. Then he tried to kill me.
Oh, also, the democracy that I fought so hard for, both through diplomacy and war, has betrayed its foundations and became a racist, autocratic Empire.
And I'm totally fine with it. I'm super, in fact." *rolls eyes*
Chestnuts roasted by Fit For Natalie @ 05/25/2005 02:05 AM EST
Hello, I'm Hayden Christensen. You may remember me from such films as Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, and Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. Upon watching myself on screen, I have come to the conclusion that I cannot act and am therefore retiring from Hollywood. I am going to start a new career as an architect. And I will be the Best. Architect. Evar! I will start by building.....get ready for this...SANDCASTLES! Yeah, yeah, I know what you're all thinking...my lame line about sand in AOTC...I swear if anyone calls me Anakin in real life I will slaughter them like ANIMALS! I HATE THAT!!!! Ahem...sorry...lost myself there. But yeah, I actually LIKE sand! I like how it's irritating and gets everywhere--What's that? I've rambled on long enough?! No! This is MY commenting time! *pouts* *struggles* No! LET GO! No...I don't need time out! NO! Not a room with Jar Jar! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo!
Chestnuts roasted by Hayden F'ing Christensen @ 05/25/2005 05:35 AM EST
George Lucas, NOOOOooooooooooo!
Everyone keeps saying that this was so much better than the last two but I didn't see it. I can't wait for Star Wars Episode 0, "The Milking of the Cash Cow" and Star Wars Episode 7, "The beating of the dead horse"
Chestnuts roasted by Mike @ 05/25/2005 07:47 AM EST
RotS was for me, in many ways, a letdown. I avoided as many spoilers as I could since there wasn't much that you couldn't infer that would happen in the movie anyway.
Overall, I enjoyed the film, but there are a lot of things I dislike about it. In random, bullet-point fashion:
*The writing was good in places and horrific in others. I don't know if this makes any sense, but if I were telling someone all about the movie, in as much details as I could, I can imagine that person saying:
"Wait, don't give me a synopsis of the dialouge, tell me exactly what was said."
"Those were the exact lines."
"..."
*I don't care what anyone says, the acting quality in the prequels is generally lower than the original trilogy. You can make the argument that it's suppossed to be less than serious because SW was inspired by the serials Lucas watched as a kid, but there's a difference between "light-hearted" and "crap".
Hayden Christensen was better in RotS than he was in AotC, but I think that's mainly because he had less talking to do in this one (and less of those AWFUL scenes with Padme). All teh guy brought to teh part was a pretty face and the ability to look badass while angry.
Poor Natalie Portman. She was better here than in AotC also, but she wasn't very good. There's just something about the Star Wars movies in particular that cripples her acting ability when she walks onto the set. At least she's pretty, she has that.
For me, Ewan McGregor stood as one of the highlights of the film, acting-wise. Ian McDiarmid did an excellent job with only a few awkward moments that didn't really bother me. I wouldn't have liked to see the prequels without him. And Frank Oz was great, as usual.
Samuel L. Jackson was fine. Except for that whole thing about Jackson not wanting Windu to die like a bitch. Sorry Sam, you're such a badass it's had for you to play the victim.
Thank God for Anthony Daniels. Can you imagine watching Star Wars with someone else doing C-3PO's voice?
*General Grevious, a Russian? And he lasts all of 20 seconds before he gets his hands lopped off? Lucas, you jackass, did you even watch The Clone Wars?
GL: "Yes I did, and I enjoyed it so much I took the series away from Genndy for the upcoming third season. CG is better than animation, everyone knows that."
Yeah, that's why everything BUT the special effects get talked about in Star Wars reviews, right George?
GL: "Have you tried Darth Dew yet?"
* Did anyone catch the last name of the man entrusted with 3PO and R2 at the end of the movie? 
I know Dennis Lawson has issues with the SW series, but he couldn't play that last part? It was offered to him.
Maybe it was supposed to be Wedge's father, or uncle, or something.
* What the heck is this Mon Motha scene that everyone is talking about?
* Anakin's fall to the Dark Side was not very convincing. Why not give us a little more of the friendship/brotherhood between Obi-Wan and Anakin so you don't have to TELL us, "I loved you like a brother!"
Nope, instead we get MORE ANAKIN/PADME SCENES! 
* I appreciate Lucas's not shying away from the graphic stuff in this film. It must have been hard for him, judging by the inane changes he's made to the original trilogy.
*The "NOOOOOO" scene could have been better. Why do a generic scream when it could have been a choked, sobbing scream? Convey a little emotion, PLEASE.
I didn't laugh at it though. Everyone in the theater laughed when Yoda went to see Palpatine and knocked back those two guards, though
*Was the Millenium Falcon just a cool cameo, like the X-Wing and the Tie Fighters in Episode 2? I didn't catch it myself.
That's all the random raving I can come up with now. Maybe later I'll post more of my opinions that nobody asked for
Chestnuts roasted by Night_Trekker @ 05/25/2005 09:54 AM EST
Ugh, errors errors. I wish we could edit our posts.
Sorry the post was so long, everyone
Chestnuts roasted by Night_Trekker @ 05/25/2005 09:57 AM EST
I meant to say:
GL: "The special effects don't make my films though, the acting does."
But now it's time for me to shut up.
Chestnuts roasted by Night_Trekker @ 05/25/2005 10:01 AM EST
Night_Trekker:
RE: r2 and 3po entrusted to Captain Antilles.
I don't think this is Wedge, nor is he related to Wedge. "Antilles" could be like our "Smith."
So there was no reason for "George Lucas' Token Survivor" to play that part.
Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 05/25/2005 11:24 AM EST
I really enjoyed ROTS. I had almost no spoilers going in, so that was good.
The last scenes with Anakin and Obi Wan literally brought a few tears to my eyes. The characters were such a part of my reality growing up, to see them in those last few scenes together was a very emotional experience for me. I thought Ewan McGregor was incredible, and the delivery of his last lines to Anakin was very powerful.
I think the only real bad acting in the movie was Natalie Portman. She was awful IMO. Everyone else did a great job, especially considering how bad the acting was in the first two, and considering they did it all in front of blue screens. Natalie was just bad though. And I think her bad acting rubbed off on Hayden. He did a much better job overall than I anticipated...I was genuinely surprised, and happy with his performance.
Overall, I loved it. It had a few problems which are not really worth griping about. But it was so relieving to have a movie experience that I was genuinely satisfied with, after waiting more than 20 years for one. I've seen it twice so far, and plan to go at least a couple more times.
Chestnuts roasted by Matt Brand @ 05/25/2005 01:44 PM EST
I watched it over the weekend and I thought it was the best of the prequels. I would definitely see it again.
Chestnuts roasted by J-Dog @ 05/25/2005 03:25 PM EST
in return of the jedi, princess leia says she was very young when her mother died, but she remembered she was beautiful, and always sad. In sith, the mother dies when they are born.
She didn't call herself Leia Skywalker in the originals, she called herself Leia Organa. Maybe Leia was told Jimmys wife was her mother and poor Smits wife died when Leia was young.
That is what being in adopted families are all about. Secrecy and skeletons in the closet.
Chestnuts roasted by Shawn B @ 05/25/2005 03:28 PM EST
Now I want a Vader wrestling buddy that does the "NOOOOoooooooo!" sceam.
Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/25/2005 04:30 PM EST
The single greatest highlight of the movie was when Chewie is walking and Yoda scuttles up his arm onto his shoulders. Seriously, if they'd repeated that action for two hours instead of the rest of the film, I might have enjoyed it.
Chestnuts roasted by Mara @ 05/25/2005 05:17 PM EST
The single greatest highlight of the movie was when Chewie is walking and Yoda scuttles up his arm onto his shoulders. Seriously, if they'd repeated that action for two hours instead of the rest of the film, I might have enjoyed it.
Chestnuts roasted by Mara @ 05/25/2005 05:17 PM EST
Sorry, double post, was too impatient with the button.
Chestnuts roasted by Mara @ 05/25/2005 05:17 PM EST
God, I love when fans make huge leaps of logic in order to try and justify plot inconsistencies. Lucas really could have done his absolute worst with the movie, and some people would have still eaten it up. 
Trekker: I liked your review. You didn't pull any punches, which seems to be rare in SW fans these days.
Chestnuts roasted by Jen @ 05/25/2005 06:29 PM EST
The movie was pretty fucking awesome, that's all there is to it. I've seen it twice now, and so far everyone really has enjoyed it...sans some rather, grumpy, people here. Yeesh. Guess you're bound to get that with every movie.
Chestnuts roasted by John @ 05/25/2005 07:12 PM EST
cool to hate. cool to dislike. Cool to be sophisticated in taste. Not cool to enjoy.
Chestnuts roasted by rantanamo @ 05/25/2005 08:04 PM EST
I've had to fight with too many star wars fans to go too in depth so I'll just say....Bad bad movie.
Chestnuts roasted by Vejita @ 05/25/2005 08:32 PM EST
Which logical leap is that Jen? There are two valid explanations I've seen for what I think you're complaining about (the Leia mother memory), and neither one seems illogical or inconsistant...please explain. I haven't really been convinced either way by either of them but I also don't see why either explanation is flawed. If you see the inconsistancy please point it out because I'm honestly trying to figure out why so many people are seeing it as a problem.
Word up John. ~Pretty fucking awesome~ is a good description I'd agree with. There's a fair chance it's not ~deep~ or ~important~ but ~fucking awesome~ it was. I don't like when people just dismiss "fans" in general, like you're either jaded and coolly indifferent or have absolutely no perspective. I think enthusiasm is more fun and as infectious as the grumpiness. It's sort of hard to remember now, it being Memorial Day and all, but the Christmas lights we're staring at were once an example of that
Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/25/2005 08:45 PM EST
Just saw it today. It was pretty good! MUCH better than the previous two. The only things I didn't like were the beginning--thought it dragged on a bit, some of the dialogue between Obi-Wan and Anakin during the battle was wooden...Hayden tried to sound evil but failed, and finally Anakin's "I HATE YOU!" line...he sounded more like a five year old having a tantrum. Grevious wasn't too bad, and the fight between Mace and Palpatine was MUCH better than I expected. I actually chuckled at the "NOOO!" scene, since I was expecting it to be lame anyway.
Chestnuts roasted by Little Orphan Ani @ 05/25/2005 09:47 PM EST
*dialogue between Obi-Wan and Anakin during the FINAL battle, I meant.
Chestnuts roasted by Little Orphan Ani @ 05/25/2005 09:49 PM EST
I didn't like the Star Wars.
Worship Ditka.
Chestnuts roasted by Nathan Bitner @ 05/25/2005 10:47 PM EST
FitforNatalie:
Woah, woah, woah. Nobody expected Padme to be "fine" with the events of Ep. III. She, however, wasn't "fine" with the attempts on her life in Ep. II - and her character still managed to do more than sob throughout the entire film. Hell, she managed not to cry when she was dragged off to certain death fighting the beasts. She also wasn't "fine" with the threats to her kingdom in Ep. I, but again, she managed to do something other than cry about it.
Your handle indicates that you're a big Portman fan, so you're obviously going to take it seriously if anyone disses on her. But FYI, I don't blame the actress. Padme's scenes were, in general, very poorly written in Ep. III and inconsistient with her prior behavior. This was no fault of Portman's - she did what she could with the part, and I wouldn't want to see her replaced with anyone else. She is a compelling, immensely watchable star.
This doesn't, again, excuse the poor writing behind the Padme scenes, though. The things you mention that made Padme so upset happened in the last 20 minutes of the film - but Padme spent the ENTIRE duration of the movie in tears. We, the viewers, all knew that the war would get bloodier, the Republic would turn into the Empire, and Anakin would become Darth Vader. Padme did not know these things until the end. Obviously, the character is perceptive and saw that bad things were happening. But the same could be said of Obi-Wan, Yoda, Windu, etc., etc., and they managed not to spend the entire film in tears.
I liked the kick-ass Padme of Eps. I and II. The presence of strong, uncontrived female characters is one of the charms of Star Wars. I did not like seeing her devolve into a sissy.
Chestnuts roasted by stacy @ 05/25/2005 11:37 PM EST
but Padme spent the ENTIRE duration of the movie in tears
Well, she WAS pregnant.
Oh, and did anyone else think of George W. Bush when Anakin said "If you're not with me...you're my enemy!" with his whole "If you're not with us, you're against us" speech after 9/11?
Chestnuts roasted by LOA @ 05/25/2005 11:58 PM EST
I blame the government for not giving me access to this movie.
Please, stop saying you have seen it X number of times...I'll just hate you more for that.
On another note, don't you hate when you shave your head in Germany everyone automatically assumes you are with a less than stellar organization? I do...
Also, don't you hate when you transfer colleges with enough credits to be a freakin senior and the new school only takes a fraction of the credits? I do...I'll be 86 years old and Matt will still have the Christmas theme up when I FINALLY graduate.
Just hope my son makes mad bank so Daddy doesn't die a lonely and broken down old man.
Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz
Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/26/2005 12:47 AM EST
I thought that one of the best lines ever was when Obi Wan looks down at Anakin in disgust and says..."You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them!" I laughed really hard at that, and I was the only one. The tone that he said it in (almost like, "way to go, dumbass" combined with the irony (like a kid on a soccer team making a goal for the other team) was simply too much hilarity for me.
And Matt, I gotta say, you had me all revved up for the Yoda Piggyback ride. For the three seconds that it happened, I was the giddiest girl in the entire theater. That was one of the only spoilers that rocked really hard for me.
Chestnuts roasted by Becca @ 05/26/2005 01:01 AM EST
LOA, the line that reminded me more of the current political situation was Padme's: "So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause."
Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/26/2005 01:23 AM EST
I loved the movie, but I could've done without some of the obvious winks to the fans. For example, there was no reason for Chewbacca to be in the movie. And if Lucas went through the trouble of casting a Peter Cushing lookalike to play a young Tarkin, he could've at least given him a couple of lines.
Despite little things like that though, I was pumped after leaving that theater, and I can't remember the last movie that did that to me
In other Star Wars news, has anyone seen the preview pic of the upcoming sequel to Darth Tater, the Spud Trooper?
http://www.theprivateuniverse.co.uk/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?section=news&articleid=194
Chestnuts roasted by Aberration @ 05/26/2005 01:58 AM EST
I just read that old message board from the 80s! Was the Internet really that developed back then? (I already know the Ads are recent additions.I'm talking about Sci-Fi fan forums.)
Chestnuts roasted by Tetsu Deinonychus @ 05/26/2005 04:39 AM EST
What has become the most annoying thing to me is people trashing others for having opposing viewpoints. I won't mention any names from within these forums.
I personally (as mentioned in previous posts) wasn't overly thrilled with the movie, but I DID enjoy it. I DO plan on seeing it again. I DO really really (really) WANT to like this movie, but don't... yet.
I think it's awesome that there are so many people that LOVE this movie, and think it's (one of) the best movie they've seen. But I also think it's awesome that there are others that aren't willing to just swallow whatever Lucas puts out there, without giving it a scrutinous look-over.
I thought someone else had already mentioned it in this forum, but if not, I'll say it...
I truly think that you can take whatever you want from this movie.
*You can take it as face value, and just accept that it's a good sci-fi flick with cool special effects.
*You can look FOR plot/continuity inconsistencies...and find them.
*You can use your vast knowledge of the OT and expanded universe to argue for/against anything others point out.
The coolest part is that the SW Universe was ever created, and has inspired so many people to become interested and lost in the epic tales. It's affected all of our lives, and for some of us, our children's lives.
So no matter what your opinions are of this final flick, (I'd think) you have to at least give a nod to the sheer persistence of the influence of the SW Universe.
-Cheers
Chestnuts roasted by bad karma @ 05/26/2005 10:32 AM EST
I like Vader the first time he showed up.... And Named DOCTOR DOOM!
Remember, If you didn't like ROTS, just blame it on Reed Richards.
Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/26/2005 11:43 AM EST
I'm all for the "mystique" of the SW universe and the unmistakable mark it has left on pop-culture as well as individuals on a very personal level. But that's what makes the prequels so damned frustrating. The epic granduer and irrefutable charm of the original films has been utterly bastardized into the lackluster installments that have been released over the last few years. It's enough to make me want to cry. It really seems at times that Lucas is intentionally trying to stamp out all the magic that episodes 4-6 possessed by prefacing them with such asinine stories containing watered-down versions of the characters I love so dearly.
What I say now, I say with a heavy heart: the prequels should have never been made. They're fine movies, sure. But they serve no purpose in supporting the storylines of the vastly superior originals. If Lucas had such a hard-on to make the overblown spectacles that he has recently created, he should have done so with new characters, locales, etc. instead of mucking around with the SW lore.
Chestnuts roasted by The Yeti @ 05/26/2005 11:52 AM EST
LOA wrote:
Oh, and did anyone else think of George W. Bush when Anakin said "If you're not with me...you're my enemy!"
I actually was reminded of Baptist anti rock-n-roll crusades...of course, that sorta reminds me of W too.
I know Christensen is such an easy target but one should really see 'Life as a House' before lampooning him as the problem. Fact is there were several A list actors in EP1, 2 & 3 and the only memorable performances came from CGI characters. That says, no shouts, the director is the problem.
Chestnuts roasted by Cpt USA @ 05/26/2005 12:15 PM EST
Finally! Saw it last night at a midnight showing- first showing in Korea. LOVED IT overall....some problems, of course- the "Noooo" was awful, the love stuff cheesy, too much R2 at the beginning, not enough 3PO, Chewie was of no importance, they wrapped up 30000 loose ends in the last 20 minutes, and Padme (natalie portman) was awful, with a horrible expanation for her death- jeez, they couldn't think of anything else???
There- now that all of that is off my chest, I must say that this movie was still pretty great. Hayden did a much better job this time around, and Ewan was great as well. Hats off to Ian McD- he was excellent. Also, I got goosebumps a number of times- with the whole Anakin switching over scene "You shall be known as Darth Vader" and of course with the Obi Wan/ Vader fight at the end. I am glad it was so graphic- finally added some 'grown upness' to the cartoon messes Lucas has made with all the damn CGI thrown into these prequels.
It was just so great to see all the questions answered, ya know? Even though you knew most of the answers anyway, it was nice to see them happen on the big screen. I feel like everything has come full circle, and they filled in the gaps well (as well as they could with all the holes they dug for themselves in the original trilogy, anyways! ex: Obi Wan: "That boy is our last hope" Yoda: "no there is another" or obi wan/ vader never recognizing the droids later on....etc.)
Chestnuts roasted by Muppet Baby @ 05/26/2005 12:38 PM EST
Muppet, glad you got to see it. BTW, are you in the military in Korea?
Check out this link:
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/lucas/
Specifically under the may 15th header and the question about Lucas' unhappiness about how ESB and ROTJ turned out. I;ve always supported Lucas, regadless of what other think. However, based on that answer, if it really is him answering the questions, then he's really nothing more than a pompous windbag, and the idea he has of himself in his delusional little mind is disgusting....
"Actor's director..."
Apparently someone forgot to tell Anakin/Padme about that....
Chestnuts roasted by XGalvatronX @ 05/26/2005 01:59 PM EST
XGalvatronX- Thanks for the support! Man, it sucked waiting a week longer than the rest of the world, but it was worth it. Nah, I'm not in the military- I am teaching english at a hagwon here in Incheon.
I tell ya, the Korean movie theater experience is different, what with the free dried squid you get with your popcorn combo, and the fact that its all assigned seating, just like at a sports event or something...
Chestnuts roasted by Muppet Baby @ 05/26/2005 02:22 PM EST
Are you joking about the dried squid or not? I'm not sure which answer I would prefer. I think I would prefer it to be true, for it is good to know somewhere, someone is in a movie theater eating dried squid.
Chestnuts roasted by jhnnywalkr @ 05/26/2005 02:33 PM EST
I bet the squid waited so long to see the movie, they dried out in line and were scooped up to be added to the snack foods. Just more victims of SW-mania.
Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/26/2005 03:01 PM EST
anakin is no more of a little bitch than luke skywalker was. the acting is "bad" because the jedi are all a bunch of stiffs. theres no han solo type in these movies and everyone acts more uptight than the cast of law and order. true star wars fans look past this. star wars is way bigger than the acting in a movie. this aint the academy awards.
Chestnuts roasted by jeremiah @ 05/26/2005 03:03 PM EST
Maybe is was some of Admiral Akbar's peeps who waited too long in line.
Chestnuts roasted by jhnnywalkr @ 05/26/2005 03:13 PM EST
You know, I just now saw this film last night, and I think that, despite all our debates as to whether it was a great movie or a wretched one, we can all agree that something magical happened in that theater: Hayden Christensen got most of his limbs lopped off and then HE CAUGHT ON FIRE. And nobody can ever take that away from us.
Chestnuts roasted by Jedoc @ 05/26/2005 03:23 PM EST
Still have yet to see the movie...
God this sucks.
Perhaps I should just fly to Korea to see it and crash at Muppet Baby's pad. Not sure how Mrs. M would take it though, you know, being pregnant and all.
Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz
Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/26/2005 03:34 PM EST
What tickles me is that when you say you like the prequels, someone makes the claim that we're accepting Lucas's table scraps, or anything similar. Well, no, no we're not. I'm a huge Evil Dead fan, does that mean I take Sam Raimi's tablescraps? I mean, it's HARDLY a perfect film either, but hell.
And yes, the Prequels should've been made. As they are, they need work, but that doesn't make them any less Star Wars than the other three, no matter how you feel on the situation. Just repeat to yourself "But I wanna go to Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!!" over and over in your head and you'll realize, each trilogy has plenty of flaws. And they're both damn enjoyable in their own rights.
Chestnuts roasted by John @ 05/26/2005 06:45 PM EST
That "NOOOOOOOOOO!"?
Priceless.
Chestnuts roasted by Ekkostar @ 05/26/2005 08:22 PM EST
Karma, I don't think loving the movie and scrutinizing the movie are exclusive...otherwise I say "word" to your post. You're quite the diplomat (and assuredly a better one than Senator Binks). A big LOL also to jeremiah, jhnnywalkr and John.
Yeti, I disagree that the prequels don't serve the storylines of the OT. Maybe I'm the only person who thought it was totally awesome to find out that Palps snagged Anakin with the exact same trick that he almost got Luke with, maybe I'm the only person who was interested to see the workings of the dying Old Republic, maybe I'm the only person who was thrilled to see Obi Wan's effort and eventual failure as Anakin's teacher....I definitely doubt I am the only one, but even if I was I'd say making one moviegoer have a really great time seeing three movies (even if later viewings proved less impressive) (even if some of the other moviegoers don't have quite as good a time), giving one moviegoer a good popcorn experience is plenty of reason to make a movie. In other words, just because George Lucas might have to regret not making every single person who saw his movies happy doesn't mean he has to regret making them at all.
Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/26/2005 08:26 PM EST
Until Lucas falls in the richest bastards list, I doubt we will see anymore Star Wars Episodes.
We know Hollywood has run out of ideas other than remakes, prequels, or sequels.
Does anyone want prequels or sequels, or remakes to any other movies?
Like say Police Academy? Friday the 13th? Nightmare on Elm Street? Major League? E.T.? Home Alone?
Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz
Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/27/2005 02:23 AM EST
honestly I am burnt out on star wars.....spent WAYYYYYY to much time on theforce.net scouring message boards......man i thought I was a dork until i looked at that shit....don't get me wrong, I love star wars but not nearly as much as some people....must maintain last bit of sanity.....
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/27/2005 03:52 AM EST
squee, I agree that the two (love and scrutinize) are not mutually exclusive. I appreciate the nod to my diplomatic skillz (though i'm trying to figure out just how big of a feat it is to out-do Binks). =)
Best One-Liner of the Year Award goes to....
JEDOC!!!
You know, I just now saw this film last night, and I think that, despite all our debates as to whether it was a great movie or a wretched one, we can all agree that something magical happened in that theater: Hayden Christensen got most of his limbs lopped off and then HE CAUGHT ON FIRE. And nobody can ever take that away from us.
ROFLMAO
thanks for the laugh Jedoc!
Chestnuts roasted by bad karma @ 05/27/2005 09:50 AM EST
I have seen this movie 3 times now and I have to admit the first time I saw it I was stuck on the dialogue more then anything. The 2nd time I saw it it actually doesn't clunk as much. The 3rd time I was just absorbing all of the events happening in the back ground. It's funny but reading the book based on the screen play really fills in a lot of the holes that make ROTS plot kind of iffy. I can understand why he had to cut them but still.. I think that hands down the best performance is from R2 !!
Chestnuts roasted by Canadaka @ 05/27/2005 10:34 AM EST
Sister-in-law tells me R2 kicks much ass and has a great comedic moment. (R2 will be along any moment and he'll turn off the force field) So, that's something else to look forward to. And Hayden catching on fire? It ranks up there with watching Leo sink to the bottom of the sea in Titanic.
Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/27/2005 11:33 AM EST
Jingle bell, jingle bell, Padme is dead, Anakin's burnt, and Yoda's in self-imposed ex-ile. Laughing and dancing, in the frosty air. What a fine time, its the right time... to get rid of the XMAS that time forgot... A jingle bell time... Merry Christmas everyone! May the force be with you! This is getting as bad as the Star Wars Holiday Special.
Chestnuts roasted by Traynor @ 05/27/2005 01:29 PM EST
I just read this and Mace Windu is a distant cousin of Lando Calression im serious i read it online.
Chestnuts roasted by Guess Work @ 05/27/2005 02:05 PM EST
I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on the leaked workprint copy available on torrent sites. It's surprisingly good quality. Man, the people who released that must be doing some serious hiding out trying to avoid the wrath of lucas. Heres a link for more info on it here
Chestnuts roasted by d-roc @ 05/27/2005 04:17 PM EST
I think it's cool when people on the internet write out dialogue they think is funny. It's even better when they do it one line. I always imagine the nerdiest voice I can reading those things aloud. Awesome.
Oh, anyways, I think the new Star Wars movie is the best of the prequel trilogy but that's just king of shit mountain. I thought a lot of it was pretty funny, though.
Chestnuts roasted by Tim @ 05/27/2005 04:18 PM EST
I like one-liners, Tim. We are here for your dining and dancing pleasure. Also available for christenings, Bar Mitzvahs, smokers, and the occasional shut-in. You can remove you thumb now, Carmine....
Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/27/2005 04:49 PM EST
Have a good holiday weekend everybody!
Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/27/2005 05:19 PM EST
God, I can't believe it's almost June...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/18405?it=0
Chestnuts roasted by Oi @ 05/27/2005 06:23 PM EST
With all the Star Wars talk and the extended Chirstmas theme for the site, how about a Star Wars Holiday Special review? Or has it been done alreay?
Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 05/28/2005 01:35 AM EST
XGalvatronX and everyone else:
SuperShadow is a lying sack of shit.
Chestnuts roasted by DarkPrimus @ 05/28/2005 03:41 AM EST
this guys is outta his mind
http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/19934829/?29
read this to get a good laugh...
Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/28/2005 03:43 AM EST
CHUD CONTEST: FREAKED DVD
(Release date: July 12, 2005)
Chestnuts roasted by ME @ 05/28/2005 11:49 AM EST
Bill & Ted's Most Excellent Collection to be released on the same day.
Alex Winter News (He directs comedy sketchs for Jimmy Kimmel?)
Chestnuts roasted by ME @ 05/28/2005 11:54 AM EST
"SuperShadow is a lying sack of shit. - DarkPrimus"
Entirely true.
Supershadow.com is a big lie. Read the following link at Wikipedia if you need proof. There are many, many people who are pissed at this guy for posing as George Lucas and for lying about being involved in the production of the Prequels. (not to mention the girls he claims are his girlfriends but aren't)
His site was hacked by a group called the g00ns (http://www.g00ns.com) for these reasons and more.
DO NOT take anything he says seriously unless you see it on Starwars.com or theforce.net. Even George Lucas himself is aware of this fake.
Wikipedia article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supershadow
SuperSTUPID - http://utenti.lycos.it/superstupid/
(hilarious parody of supershadow.com)
This has been a public service announcment.
Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 05/28/2005 12:14 PM EST
RE: ME: (Bill and Ted)
Damn it! I just bought Excellent adventure, and now they have a box set with extras? Arghh...
Oh well...Excellent adventure was only 7 bucks at wal-mart.
Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 05/28/2005 12:16 PM EST
Thanks for the links, Cyan. That side seemed way shady.
Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 05/28/2005 12:58 PM EST
np, I don't want to see loyal fans taken advantage of. He even has a pay section which i sincerely hope no one has actually paid for.
Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 05/28/2005 01:00 PM EST
I just checked out that website. What a load of garbage. There is no way that guy could honestly believe he was the least bit connected with Lucas. Laughable and entirely self-delusional.
P.S. one can also tell that it is fake because Lucas rarely concerns himself with thanking the fans, etc.
Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/28/2005 02:39 PM EST
George Lucas also would never call one of his fans "geeks" or "nerds" (even though we already know it to be true) ;p
Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 05/28/2005 03:13 PM EST
This is off the subject of "sith" but i figured someone here might know. Does anyone remember a live action kids show from the 80's where they would get smashed with jelly doughnuts? It was somewhat like "you can't do that on television". I have been going nuts trying to remember the name of it.
Chestnuts roasted by kb @ 05/28/2005 03:17 PM EST
I've been going on the Supershadow site for about a year now...got there with a Yahoo seach for the Sith script and spoilers. The guy is very dilusional. He talks about hanging out with Lucas, helping with editing, stuff like that. It's almost laughable how out of touch with reality the guy is. That's half the fun of the site.
Chestnuts roasted by Y2JB78 @ 05/28/2005 04:13 PM EST
Well, I'm afraid his site won't be around much longer.. I can pretty much promise you that.
Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 05/28/2005 06:04 PM EST
kb- Yes, it was called "You can't do that on television". I used to watch it when I was a kid-What in the heck has happend to all the good tv shows?? Ha ha.
I liked the movie very much, but let's face it y'all, they don't make them like Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher, do they??
My son has ADHD- he sat through the whole thing without blinking an eye, and that was magic enough for me!! That's what it's all about, imo. It made me remember what it was like for me when I saw Empire in the theatres.
The only gripe I have is, Mace Windu's death sucked. I like Samuel Jackson, but geeeeeesh!! lame.
Other than that, let's all remember, it's just a movie. And, yes, I am a die hard SW fan, but it's already been made, and there is nothing any of us can do about the way it turned out. I knew it wouldn't be the same as the old ones when I saw menace. Ugh.
Oh, and for those of you talking about Padme being weepy in ep 111,
Remember, pregnancy can make ANY strong woman fragile, especially if you are expecting twins. I wasn't exactly expecting her to go confront Anakin and whip out a lightsaber.
Hope everyone has a wonderful Memorial Day weekend! Let's not forget those who fought for us.
Chestnuts roasted by TW @ 05/28/2005 10:40 PM EST
Have Padme lightsaber-duel Anakin? That would have been a movie!
Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/29/2005 02:06 PM EST
You know what king? Now that I think about it, that would have been cool!! ha ha
I guess as long as the saber wasn't past 15 lbs., she would have been ok swinging the thing while pregnant, without endangering the pregnancy!!!!
Chestnuts roasted by TW @ 05/29/2005 03:52 PM EST
rots is better then star wars galaxies any day though.
Chestnuts roasted by the80sruled @ 05/30/2005 05:53 AM EST
I like dog buscists if your paying attention and I went pee pee on my self
Chestnuts roasted by Mutt @ 06/10/2005 06:12 PM EST
