05/19/2005 Entry: "The Revenge of the Sith Discussion Thread..."

Consider the comments field for this entry your discussion thread for Revenge of the Sith. Those wanting to avoid spoilers should be careful while scanning through. I'll be seeing the flick tonight (passed on the midnight opener knowing that it'd require taking today off), and I can't wait. Three and a half stars from Ebert, fifty and a half stars from people who know who played the Wampa in ESB. Can't wait can't wait can't wait. Share your thoughts, anticipations and questions in the comments.

EDIT: Saw it last night. Didn't leave the theater knocked out, but it's grown on me overnight. Will have more to say on Sunday. Oh, those DVD contests? I got a shitload of entries, so let's make the cutoff Saturday, 11:59 PM for entries. Also, since I got waaaay more entries than I was anticipating (likely in the realm of 700 or so), I asked if the PR comp would mind supplying two of each set. So, there will be four winners total.

Chestnuts roasted by Sweetie @ 05/19/2005 10:53 AM EST

Sadly, i had to agree with matt and decided not go to the midnight show.(damn work!!) But, in a badass turn of events, my company is throwing a private screener!!! Its tommorrow, but hey..its free, and its a theater that serves beer and TGI Fridays-esqe food. So thats alsome.
Happy Sith day everyone!!

ps. I brought one of Kuse's brothers with me to work today... hes chillin on my monitor.

Chestnuts roasted by KillaHill @ 05/19/2005 11:17 AM EST

I'll also be seeing it a little later. Mainly I'll be waiting for Greivous, and any good fight involving Yoda. Does he do another of his "Blooming Ground Flower Attacks" that was soo cool in II? Light fuse, then away you get, yes?

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/19/2005 11:34 AM EST

Yoda doesn't make the same high pitched whining noise from what I can remember. His fight/s are much more believable this time round - not that the one in AOTC wasn't awesome or anything.

I was giddy as a schoolgirl during the 'the shit has hit the fan' montage of Jedi death. You see one Jedi after another bite it, then it cuts to Yoda. And you KNOW that Yoda is going to do what all the others could not - see the attack coming and survive. Man, he does it in STYLE!

Chestnuts roasted by Darth Frankenstein @ 05/19/2005 11:47 AM EST

no ewok or anything ewok like i am to presume?

Chestnuts roasted by Shadow of doubt @ 05/19/2005 12:02 PM EST

Really good movie, extremely entertaining. The script seemed a little forced to get everything to line up with episode 4,5, and 6 but otherwise the nerds would be over every single detail that was off.

I thought although it stumbled a bit at parts that just didn't seem "logical" (even in star wars) I thought overall it was excellent and plan on seeing it a few more times. Also throw in the fact that I had to sit second row and my eyes were bugging out and I was in a general bad mood the whole night so it was probably even better then that.

Chestnuts roasted by The Modern Day Pirates @ 05/19/2005 12:19 PM EST

It was awesome. Not an oscar winner, but if you are a Star Wars fan, you will definitely be fulfilled. I'll saw many things that just made my hair stand on end based on coolness/wow, we finally see it!! Battle scenes are great, Hayden's acting is MUCH better, still corny dialogue, but it is Star Wars, you just have to deal with it. Only part I didn't like was the "birth"...and I'm not talking about Luke and Leia.

The theater was cool...let us in at 8 so we didn't have to stand for 4 hours. Then they sold hot dogs, sodas and popcorn for $1 each.

Chestnuts roasted by Y2JB78 @ 05/19/2005 12:23 PM EST

I went to the midnight AND made it to work.
General Grievous was quite a let down. He seemed so cowardly and unnecssary (especially since he does so well in CLONE WARS). Much improved dialogue and, yes, it was legitimately funny. I enjoyed it. Better acting too. I am sure we will be hashing this out on the blog forever so I will leave it at that.
P.S. yes, the wookies were added on as an afterthought

Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/19/2005 12:27 PM EST

Anyone seen that it's been posted on bittorrent. I'm not saying that's OKAY or not illegal. It's even rumored to be a pre-release verison, so maybe good quality. The camcorder versions I've heard can look dark and grainy.

Chestnuts roasted by RAS @ 05/19/2005 12:55 PM EST

I also made it to both the 12:15am show and to work at 8am. But damn was it worth it. ROTS is, in my opinion the 2nd best SW of all time (behind ESB obviously)
It was the first time during any of the prequels when I found myself feeling like I was watching a SW movie, and not some community theatre troupes redition of an EU novel...

Chestnuts roasted by oldschool @ 05/19/2005 01:03 PM EST

Mind you all the people that saw it at midnight were probably serious fan-boys so this might be slightly biased...

I haven't seen it yet but I plan to this weekend

Cheers

Chestnuts roasted by Ant @ 05/19/2005 01:09 PM EST

The change in Grievous character could be attributed to the force crush that Mace preformed on him at the end of Clone Wars. It was evident by the nagging cough he had which showed he was weakened(sp?). Still, the fight between Obi-wan and Grievous was pretty awesome.

Chestnuts roasted by Wirehead @ 05/19/2005 01:52 PM EST

Waitwaitwait. There's a new Star Wars? I've got to call my friend Pope John Paul II!
What? Oh geez.

Chestnuts roasted by jhnnywalkr @ 05/19/2005 03:44 PM EST

I really liked this film and I'm far from a Star Wars fan (I call the previous prequels Snore Wars). About the only thing I didn't like was the way Padme died. A broken heart? Yeesh. I would have had her be mortally wounded during the Anakin/Obi fight. Plus, she came up with her children's names awfully quick. I also wanted more Wookies.

Otherwise, I give the film 3 stars.

Chestnuts roasted by JLAJRC @ 05/19/2005 04:55 PM EST

R2D2 is one ass-kicking little bastard.. Padme/Anakin scenes made me naseous..
Space fights and light saber duels way beyond expectations. (waaay beyond)
All in all I gotta say (certainly not for the first or last time) that it's definitely the best of the prequels. IMHO it is better than ROTJ as well. Basicly it's probably exactly what you are expecting.
(click my link if you know how to usenet)

*(not so) major spoilers below*

and OMG.. Darth Sidious is Senator Palpatine??! Who woulda thunk it!
/sarcasm

Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 05/19/2005 05:13 PM EST

Went to the midnight showing last night, was totally blown away. Best of the prequels by far.

A workprint has been leaked and is showing up on all the filesharing networks as we speak, near dvd quality but it does have number at the top of the screen and a dodgy aspect ratio.

Chestnuts roasted by Vhaal @ 05/19/2005 05:54 PM EST

I didn't mind the Ani/Padme romance as much as the dialog surrounding it. When he was giving his big speech in "Clones," about how he shouldn't give in to his feelings, but blah, blah, blah, I said to Little Brother and his wife, "That is the most complicated explanation of Blue Balls I ever heard." Then somebody behind me said, "Shh!" But, I believe the damage was done. I'll have that in mind when I go to see "Sith."

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/19/2005 06:01 PM EST

I think ol' Padme was really just a non-entity which was odd due to her huge significance to the plot. I agree that she should have been injured somehow and then died. It would have given Anakin more motivation.

Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/19/2005 06:32 PM EST

Every review I've read so far has been very favorable, not all scattershot like with the first 2 prequels. I want to wait until the first huge wave of people flock to the theaters til I see it so I don't get stuck sitting next to the guy in the storm trooper costume with massive BO. I'm psyched though. One question, Anakin doesn't babble about sand again, does he? ::cringe::

Chestnuts roasted by Lammy742 @ 05/19/2005 06:32 PM EST

Don't worry.. I'm sure good ol' George will spend the next 28 years making various director's cuts of this trilogy just like he did with the last one.

Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 05/19/2005 07:42 PM EST

I saw the midnight showing last night. I really enjoyed it, and I would say its aobut as good or a little better than jedi. The dialouge was much better, but padame was still pretty bad. I thought Hayden Christansen did a much better job this time, but most people I've talked to still hate him.

I've noticed a continuity problem. In jedi Leia saya she remembers her mother, but in ep III padame dies right after childbirth. Leia could have just remembered he adoptive mother, but it seemed pretty clear she was talking about her real mother.

Chestnuts roasted by BrightNoah @ 05/19/2005 08:07 PM EST

Saw the midnight last night. Good stuff! I still refuse to accept Anakin as Darth Vader, though.

Chestnuts roasted by Eddie Lightning Frog @ 05/19/2005 08:50 PM EST

"One question, Anakin doesn't babble about sand again, does he?"

Well, he doesn't SAY anything on the subject, but it's safe to assume he still doesn't like it that much. Has a bit of a nasty experience on a beach of sorts.

"I've noticed a continuity problem. In jedi Leia saya she remembers her mother, but in ep III padame dies right after childbirth. Leia could have just remembered he adoptive mother, but it seemed pretty clear she was talking about her real mother."

The Force, man. The FORCE. Yeah, it's the Star Wars equivalent of "a wizard did it" but I can accpet it as an explanation. Remember "Through the Force, things you will see, other places, the future, THE PAST, old friends long gone" It's reasonable enough to say Leia just had some sort of weird force vision/memory thing.

Chestnuts roasted by Darth Frankenstein @ 05/19/2005 09:13 PM EST

I saw the midnight showing and had a good time. I also went to Hooters first, maybe that helped..

Chestnuts roasted by Review the World @ 05/19/2005 09:36 PM EST

"I've noticed a continuity problem. In jedi Leia saya she remembers her mother, but in ep III padame dies right after childbirth. Leia could have just remembered he adoptive mother, but it seemed pretty clear she was talking about her real mother."

Uh-oh, here comes another edition of the original trilogy.

Chestnuts roasted by MutantHamster @ 05/19/2005 09:40 PM EST

Isn't it remarkable that someone so completely devoid of writing talent was able to create an entire universe of lovable characters that mean so much to so many people?

Chestnuts roasted by The Yeti @ 05/19/2005 10:44 PM EST

I've thought long and hard about how to make a succinct review - I studied several different paragraphing styles, expressive punctuation and checked a lot of facts:

Woo! Star Wars! Woo!

Chestnuts roasted by Ryan @ 05/19/2005 10:57 PM EST

fuck, when Anakin sliced off Dooku's hands... man. and then he cut off his head... shit.

that's awesome...

Chestnuts roasted by gramsci @ 05/19/2005 11:17 PM EST

Man, daughter has a play (practice all week until Saturday) and I have a football game on Sunday three hours out of town.

Why the anger? Well, only a few military base theaters will carry Star Wars this weekend, and none are near me (at least an hour and a half away to the closest one). Plus, after this weekend...nothing!!! The base schedules for all the theaters do not list Star Wars at all and their schedules go all the way up to June 15th!!!

I hope it sucks would just too evil for me to say. I hope its good and I get to see it soon...

Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz

Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/20/2005 12:13 AM EST

Didja guys see the Falcon?!? That was my big geekout moment.
I am still a little too wowed to really formulate my thoughts. I'm not thunderstruck, you know, but there was just SO MUCH to absorb. Some stuff from above: I thought it was pretty clear from ROS that Leia would have been remembering her adoptive mother in ROJ. It's a little counterintuitive, but it's definitely not a continuity problem. I mean, I'd have the rewatch Jedi to be sure but I'm confident. Actually, I think maybe Darth Frank's hitting it...it's always about the force.
I hate to say stuff like "the dialogue is soooooo much better" because it's so pejorative but...dudes, the dialogue is like 800 thousand times better. There are some moments that are clunky or don't really ring perfectly true but with how much they manage to cover without feeling crammed or frantic I think they did an awesome job. For a movie that's 1/3 sword epic, 1/3 romeo & juliet story and 1/3 political drama they really tied it all together.
Yeti, I gotta take issue with what you've said. If someone was able to create an entire universe of lovable characters, they're not completely devoid of writing talent. That's like, oxymoronic. I think a lot of people will agree that maybe Lucas is missing something when it comes to writing believable dialogue. But that doesn't make him devoid of talent. Of course, you were probably just exaggerating a little and now I've taken all the fun out of your hyperbole. Sorry
King, Grevious is really really cool. I caught just a little of Clone Wars during Friday's marathon and now I'm dying to see all of it. Yoda doesn't pull the move I think you're referring to, but he has some BADass moments. And I thought the badass was going to be Mace.
More wookies would have been nice, yes. But I think that could be said of a two hour film of nothing BUT wookies, so there ya go.
I'm having the most trouble analyzing the digital effects...they were state of the art, as in the other prequels...they were sort of cartoonish, like the other prequels...they were so shiny and pretty and seamless, not like anything I've ever seen in CGI whether Sin City or The Incredibles (which I finally saw).
Did anybody else feel the urge to go the library after the show and pick up some EU books? I don't think I've read any in years, but seeing the end (which I think did a good just of getting us into Ep. 4, in terms of all the political manuvering, personal transformation and freaking giant alien iguanas) made me want to go back and revisit Han and Leia and Luke.
spoilers: So Obi's chilling with dead Qui Gon in that cave the whole time? A new slashdom is born...and somewhere, perhaps, an angel loses it's wings. Hehe. I loved that the Emp tells Vader that he killed Padme (not that he's not culpable for her death anyway, but it wasn't from the choking), it's just so creepy and jibes with the twisted master servant relationship we see from them later. That was a good bit altogether, with the breathing and the shaking and even the NooOOOOOooooOOoo!
Speaking of Padme, I did think it would have been cooler if Obi had said something like "You're married!" to Padme instead of "Anakin is the father, isn't he?" I mean, duh. The girl never leaves her room and Annie's the only one coming in, who do you think the daddy is? Show me some Jedi intuition!

Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/20/2005 01:13 AM EST

Great movie, bbut I did pick up on a continuity error (and I'm an extremely casual fan). Obi Wan was there when padme had and named the twins plus he set up the hiding locations for both of them. However in the originals he says that luke is their only hope and yoda has to tell him that there is another.

Chestnuts roasted by Jotenks @ 05/20/2005 05:29 AM EST

Whoa...good lookin' out, Jotenks. I didn't even think about that. Allow me to reiterate a previous blog entry:
"Isn't it remarkable that someone so completely devoid of writing talent was able to create an entire universe of lovable characters that mean so much to so many people?"

Chestnuts roasted by The Yeti @ 05/20/2005 07:15 AM EST

Blue Balls, 'Klash? Is there something you ain't telling us?

Star Wars only opens on Friday here in sunny SA. Will go prepared to laugh at Lucas. Oh yes, I think he should have let every fan on the planet help him write the script, and then given it to Spielberg to direct. And have it edited by Jamie Bruckheimer. Or something. Because, let's face it - Jar jar Binks. Aargh.

Maybe Obi Wan was sexist: he didn't see Leia as Jedi material, cos she's a girl.

Chestnuts roasted by eminentfreak @ 05/20/2005 07:31 AM EST

Or Yoda was just reminding him of Leia to drop a hint on US, the AUDIENCE.

They cut out the scene where Qui-Gon Jinn talks to Yoda about becoming part of the living Force, and a load of other scenes.

Believe it or not, in the scene were Anakin finds the kids hiding in the Council chamber, they did film him killing them.

Chestnuts roasted by Fit For Natalie @ 05/20/2005 10:54 AM EST

I have not seen it and I have not read any of the previous comments. I just want a new blog update so we can move past this and get on with our lives!

Chestnuts roasted by kidneyboy @ 05/20/2005 10:58 AM EST

They could have very easily packed all three of these movies into 1 *maybe* 2 episodes, and then spent the 3rd installment following Darth Vader for the next 18 years. There is _still_ the gap from when Luke and Leia are born, until we actually see Leia's ship get boarded in the begining of EpIV, and in my opinion, the first half of this trilogy is utter waste.

As I have said, Episode III is easily the best of the 3 new movies and probably better than ROTJ as well.

Bottom line: Go and see this movie in the theatre. DO NOT wait for this to come out on DVD. Find the biggest, loudest theatre in your area and bring beer. It is worth it just to see the big bad space ships blowing up.

Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 05/20/2005 11:46 AM EST

In Attack o' da Clones, listen to Ani's speech in the scene where Padme is in her leather lounge wear. Way too many word for "I'm horny."
As for Yoda-sensei having to tell Ol' Ben about Leia, Kenobi was wrong about Anakin being The Chosen One (insert Kung Pow joke here). Maybe in a bout of chauvanism he never considered the little girl as a possible choice. Or the Force was just dormant in her.
The above statement either makes me a super geek or possessed of amazing intuition. It just popped into my big empty head.

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/20/2005 11:49 AM EST

Well as can be said for all the prequels this one had great effects and bad acting. Of course most of the bad acting came from Anakin than anyone else. I do agree that a lot of the loose ends were tied up in a rushed kinda "what the fuck?" type of manner. The action was by far the best of all the movies. General Grievous wasn't quite what i had envisioned him. A coughing robot??? I thought he'd be more bad ass. It was funny seeing Ian McDiarmid become a bad ass swordsman. I mean when he did that twisting jump and starting mowing down those jedi in the scene where they were trying to arrest him i almost shit my pants!! I give him kudos for being the best actor in this one cuz he really freaked me out (although I think he gave up his little "secret" to Anakin way too easily). Not much can be said about Padme for her acting was atrocious but I did like the first sighting of the famous hairstyle that Leia had in Star Wars and it was also interesting how Anakin approached her in a similar manner about ruling the galaxy as he did in the Empire Strikes Back with Luke (minus the I am your father line of course) Well enough of my yammering. I'm sure i've left out stuff but I must be going.......

Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/20/2005 12:13 PM EST

it was fun

Chestnuts roasted by me @ 05/20/2005 01:29 PM EST

I thought it was a very great movie. Really, one's just being silly if one doesn't like it.

Chestnuts roasted by Crassadon @ 05/20/2005 01:59 PM EST

Not to offend anyone but I personally thought the last two Star Wars movies were nothing short of terrible. So my expectations were extremely low for part 3. I couldn't understand for the life of me why anyone thought this one would be any different than the last 2. To my shock and amazment I actually liked this one. I thoight it was a fun movie. There was certainly some bad dialog and a little over (or under) acting. But there was nothing about it that really ruined it for me. It seems like everyone who expected it to be the greatest movie ever made was dissapointed. Funny how so many people had opposite reactions from what they expected to have.

Chestnuts roasted by Picaresque @ 05/20/2005 02:02 PM EST

phunqsauce, watch Clone Wars to see how trully bad ass Grevious is and why he was coughing in ep 3.

Chestnuts roasted by BrightNoah @ 05/20/2005 02:09 PM EST

Browsing through previous comments I was pleased to find others who didn't think this movie was so great.

On a PURELY ENTERTAINMENT level, without any thought of the other movies, or analysis of Lucas' plots, I would agree that this movie is "good".

HOWEVER (scroll down to skip rant, otherwise read on for, what I feel, are valid points)...

Someone already mentioned it, but there were many aspects of the plot that were way over-forced, or just put in for "continuity's sake". For example, Bail Organa talking to, "Captain Antilles, I'm placing these droids into your service. Have the protocol droid's mind wiped." A practically pointless exchange, aside from explaining R2's and C3PO's exchange with Luke in ANH about who their true owner is. There were other examples such as this one which were thrown in for whatever purpose, and never completely explained (why was threepios mind wiped?) but i won't go into that any further.

The lack of any...not even the SLIGHTEST BIT...on-screen chemistry between Hayden and Natalie P. is sooooo tiresome and horrid to watch. There was more chemistry between NP and Ewan McGregor in the seen where Obi-Wan is checking on her after she's knocked unconscious!!!

I will admit that i liked Hayden's character and acting more in this movie than the last. I credit at least half of his bad acting to bad writing. For example, when Padme says, "Hold me like you did back on Naboo." Gimme a break!!!

Someone mentioned before how they managed to ruin Darth Vader. "Noooooooooooo!!!" and the stumbling Nazi Frankenstein walk off of the op table. [shakes head] how could they do that to LORD VADER!?!? *sigh*

The plot advancement was choppy and ill-explained. I really felt like the whole thing wasn't very well scripted.

Padme's pregnancy advances quite rapidly. She's not showing at the beginning, and by (almost) the end, she's quite round...though it seemed as if the entire span of the movie was really only over the course of a few weeks...but that's how it felt to me, not based off of any sound proof i can recall and present here.

Lucas...either give your ships artificial gravity or don't. I don't think a space cruiser that has been hit will "fall down" in space??? Maybe it's the gravitational pull or something... i dunno... i won't go more into it than that.

Greivous was a disappointment. Though i've only seen Part 1 of the clone wars. Maybe after i see part 2 i'll understand more of why he was such a wuss in ep 3.

The last thing I'll mention is the special effects. They were special. They were effects. They were numerous, and mostly very cool. However, as i watched the movie, i kept thinking "cool special effects". Initially that may not sound like a bad thing, but take this into account: When i watched the original trilogy, i don't remember thinking "cool special effects"...i remember thinking "cool spaceships" etc. What I'm basically trying to say is that the effects were all too "cartoon-y" for me. There was a certain element of realism that was lacking. I understand that Lucas admitted that this was actually done intentionally to "re-inspire the old serial comics/novels" or some such nonsense. Again, not knocking them so much as making an observation.

Maybe my impression will change once i go see it again...maybe not. though, i'll always be a bigger fan of the trilogy i grew up with.

I'll end my post by repeating what i told my buddy as we walked out of the theater...

"I was entertained by the movie, but I didn't really *like* it."

Chestnuts roasted by bad karma @ 05/20/2005 02:11 PM EST

I thought this movie ruled. It is the most emotionally charged, violent, and badass star wars movie yet (and i say yet, as theres still plenty that can be done with the story). It was a 2 hour nonstop asskick fest from the opening space battle to the institution of order 66 to the way that anakin gets lit up at the end. it was insane. We knew that darth vader was a bad guy, but we never knew how much of a sick bastard he really was. Darth vader is fucked up!!

on a side note, my friend said that the fall of the republic wouldve been averted if the jedi offered a better health plan. anakin prolly just couldve gotten some counciling and maybe some prescription meds for his bad dreams.

Chestnuts roasted by Jeremiah @ 05/20/2005 02:36 PM EST

I thought this movie ruled. It is the most emotionally charged, violent, and badass star wars movie yet (and i say yet, as theres still plenty that can be done with the story). It was a 2 hour nonstop asskick fest from the opening space battle to the institution of order 66 to the way that anakin gets lit up at the end. it was insane. We knew that darth vader was a bad guy, but we never knew how much of a sick bastard he really was. Darth vader is fucked up!!

on a side note, my friend said that the fall of the republic wouldve been averted if the jedi offered a better health plan. anakin prolly just couldve gotten some counciling and maybe some prescription meds for his bad dreams.

Chestnuts roasted by Jeremiah @ 05/20/2005 02:36 PM EST

Yoda vs. Imperial Guards. 'nuff said.

Chestnuts roasted by Kidd Video @ 05/20/2005 02:52 PM EST

Favorite SW parodies that I can dredge up out of hand, in no anywhich standing:
SpaceBalls
Hardware Wars
The episode of Hanna-Barbera's Popeye show with Bluto as a Vader-type
Thumb Wars ("You must be... the Cry-Baby."
Eric's dream from "That 70's Show"
Star Wars Holiday Special (to quote Leela, "When you say 'Special'.....?)

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/20/2005 04:10 PM EST

For Thumb Wars, I think the best is "Touch your tongue to mine. You know, to make it all official."

Chestnuts roasted by jhnnywalkr @ 05/20/2005 04:17 PM EST

Whoo hoo! Matt does it again doubling our chances to win Nick DVDS!

All Hail Lord Matt.

Then again, my chance at winning is about as good as that Giacomo winning the second leg of the VISA Triple Crown on Saturday.

Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz

Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/20/2005 06:22 PM EST

Hey Matt,

STAR WARS + BURGER KING=ALWAYS?

Has Star Wars always been tied to Burger King? I seem to recall my cousin having those sweet glasses from the OT from BK.

Why not venture forth with McDonalds too?

I so wish I would have bought all of their Darth Vaders on base here. My mission wasn't to collect them all, but I'm just missing Luke, the plushies, and all of the vehicles. I'm sure they are offered for $99 a pop on eBay at this point.

Here in Germany, they are giving away different toys off base. I guess I will stop in and have a beer to get one.

Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz

Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/20/2005 06:25 PM EST

King, how about the Muppet Babies parody? And the "Pigs In Space" Muppet Show sketch. I need a copy of that episode! Eric's dream from 70's Show was good, but I'm too disgusted with the recent developments on that show to feel charitable towards it right now. Chappelle's Show did a great one too: "Ooh! About it tell me!"
Here's another question. Not to dump on Hayden, cause I think he did a passing job in Ep. 2 and he really grew on me a bit more in 3, but obviously there are some doubts about the caliber of his acting. Who would you have rather seen in the roles? I know this is a rather obvious suggestion coming from me but I kept picturing Nick Stahl as Anakin during ROS. Of course his look doesn't really mesh with the look that Bach's face has but we've stretched a lot of continuity worse than that. I love Portman's look and can't really picture anybody else as Padme, but there were times where she did succumb to that green screen weirdness. I would never think of anybody but Ewan McGregor as Kenobi, though. I think he's definitely the high point of all the prequels and I really enjoyed the fact that he got a meatier role this time around.

Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/20/2005 08:02 PM EST

Just to add on to squee's post if I may, there were 2 big Obi Wan elements I enjoyed. First, his saber skills, which were so good in I, were reinstated after taking a dive in II. Secondly, I liked the way he watched Anakin burn and was neither pained nor repulsed. "You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them" looks corny but Ewan read it just right.

Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/20/2005 08:19 PM EST

The movie was fuckin' awesome. Only real complaint is I wish some scenes/characters lasted longer. But, I think it's the best way to end the Saga. Badass all the way.

Chestnuts roasted by John @ 05/20/2005 10:06 PM EST

SPOILERS!

Let me start of by saying yes, this film takes a nice piss on the previous two prequels, and comes closer to being in the league of the original trilogy, and Lucas almost, almost, redeems himself. There were a few problems, namely, Lucas deciding on trying to make this Tombstone Episode II. First off, General Grevious has freakin' turbuculosous like hes Doc Holliday or something (Though I guess thats because of the events of the clone wars cartoons) and then the highly touted lightsaber duel in which he wields four of them was actually nothing great. In fact, most of the highly-anticipated duels weren't much. Then you have Obi-Wan, who decides to chase him down in a half horse, half iguana that has turkey feathers on his head. Lucas, what were you smoking when you designed this creature? And then, Mace Windu takes on the evil Palpatine in one of the most wooden duels in the entire saga. For a fight that was so touted, especially by Jackson who plays Windu, it was quite disapointing. Then, the moment I really had been waiting for, to see Palpatine truly turn into the Emperor and get his screwed up face and go completely evil, what happens? It was laughable, I mean literally. I don't know about the rest of the theater, but me and a select few of my friends could not stop laughing whenever they showed Palpatine and his two-forehead, coked out insomniac eyed face. Or when he was in essence doing force-lighting to himself while screaming "I'm an old man! Flush me downt he toilet!" Then the moment that truly said "bullshit", was the moment everyone had been waiting for, the moment Darth Vader reveals himself in the armor/suit we all remember. Oh, what dialog..."Where's Padame?"..."Is she safe?"..."Am I a homosexual, Master?"...and the moment that I laughed at, but wanted to cry at, the moment Vader went complete sissy and cryed out "NNNNOOO!!!". I was half expecting him to fall to his knees, arms stretched out, rain pouring on him, ala Shawshank Redemption. Though, despite all my bitching, there are good things in the film, and it was better than both Episode I and II. The Anakin/Obi-Wan duel was fairly well done, and when Anakin and other Club 66 members decide to whack out all the Jedi, ala Al Pacino and his family whacking out all enemies in the Godfather Part I, it was fairly cool, though they should have actually shown the 'younglings' getting what they deserve. The best is when a female Jedi gets shot to death, and we slowly Zoom Out, as she is continually shot for no apparent reason. Probably the best thing in this film was Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi, he really felt like Alec Guiness from the original trilogy. Overall, I'd say I thought the film was decent, and if it wasn't for some of the dialog and cowboy scenes, it would have been much, much better.

Chestnuts roasted by Aaron @ 05/21/2005 12:19 AM EST

Taco Bell had some star wars tie ins

Chestnuts roasted by Taco Bell @ 05/21/2005 01:16 AM EST

I saw the movie tonight.

I thought it was awesome. No plot holes left out, and it really gives a sense of completion to the entire triology.

Oh and kingklash: this statement is false: "Kenobi was wrong about Anakin being The Chosen One"

First of all, it was Qui-Gon Jinn who said Anakin was the chosen one.

Secondly...Anakin DOES bring balance to the force....he kills all the jedi, so in the RotJ final scene, there is just the two Sith and Luke. Then, Anakin kills the Emporer, so there is balance: Luke and his Father...Good and Evil...

Also, I loved all the parallels with the OT that were present in this film...Especially the Count dooko fight at the very beggining of the film. Exactly like the RotJ fight, complete with the Emporer watching from his throne. Anakin, however, is unlike Luke in that he kills Palpatine's apprentice...and thus becomes the new apprentice.

Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 05/21/2005 01:17 AM EST

Well, Cameron. I totally disagree with your opinion. ROTS doesn't deserve to be the final installment of Star Wars. Not in the least. The story had potential for being good, but it was not carried out properly.

And in a way, Anakin kills Palpatine's apprentice twice. Darth Vader leaves Anakin when he sides with Luke in ROTJ. Thus, he "kills" Darth Vader and becomes the Jedi he once was.

Chestnuts roasted by Warx @ 05/21/2005 01:30 AM EST

Well, my GF and I loved it. The first hour or so was a bit blah. Felt Episode 2 caliber. But then it really picked up and I had joygasms through many points.

Some critisize the "NOOOOOOO!" I liked the idea... but James Earl Jones coulda put more feeling in the scream. As for the Frankenstein walk, I went "WHA?!" but after thinking a second, you see him look at his legs and remember... he's just been given some android legs. Taking his first steps WOULD be awkward.

Then there are a couple of plotholes (that I don't think ruined the movie, just gave my girlfriend and I something to discuss, and sorry if these were mentioned above).

First off, in Jedi, when Luke asks Leia about her mother and she talks about knowing her a bit, that always led us to believe she was talking about THEIR mother, yet Padme dies in Sith. I guess you could cover the hole by saying in Jedi, Leia was refering to her adopted mother, Bail's wife, who might have died.

Also, in Empire, Kenobi says "He's our last hope." then Yoda "reveils" to Kenobi. "No... there is another."
But in Sith, Kenobi Witnessed Leia's birth. OOPSIE!!

In truth, I have no beef with Sith. I think Lucas made up for the horror that was Phantom Menace.

The only painful part of Sith to me was Padme's Acting. But I always thought she was extremely wooden and dull.

I'm glad she's dead.

Chestnuts roasted by Blaine @ 05/21/2005 02:30 AM EST

Oh yeah, and for those who complain about the "Where's Padme" lines etc. being bad. The black helmet and cape don't make Vader. At that point, he's basically still Anakin, wearing the armor. He'd be worried about Padme. He'd wonder what's going on. Then we get the cheesey "NOOOOO!" And the Vader we meet in the New Hope is Vader AFTER this. After about 20 years of pain, suffering, and basically having nothing else to care about except serving the Emperor. So AFTER that scene people hate is when he gets BAD.

Chestnuts roasted by Blaine @ 05/21/2005 02:37 AM EST

OPENED WORLDWIDE ON MAY 19TH, EXCEPT FOR JAPAN AND KOREA. I AM SO UPSET. I will only be able to see it May 26th, so I am not only out of the loop, but I feel the need to avoid the blog for fear of spoliers! I am posting this comment since I want to belong to the excitement of it all, but I am afraid to do more than scan the previous comments....Stupid Korea.

Chestnuts roasted by Muppet Baby @ 05/21/2005 04:42 AM EST

You know I was enjoying the film up until that Windu/Palpatine/Anakin scene. That was just plain retarded. Yeah there were a few people laughing during that. I being one of them. But it was more of a "what the hell am I witnessing? Is this really happening?? I might just cry out of horror!!" kind of laugh. There were some pretty unforgivable flaws and moments of the film. Some things were just better left to my childhood imagination. But hey at least I got to see that kick ass trailer for Narnia!! Woo-hoo!!

Chestnuts roasted by evadrad @ 05/21/2005 07:38 AM EST

A point that nobody seems to be bringing up, and maybe got overlooked is when Palpatine is telling Anakin about HIS master, he mentions the ability to create life out of the metachlorians. Are they hinting or suggesting that Palpatine might have had a hand in Anakin's creation??

Chestnuts roasted by vinegartoast @ 05/21/2005 07:49 AM EST

Did anybody else walk away with the impression a lot had been cut out? Most star wars flicks seem to be around 2 hours 20 mins, at 2 hours 13 minutes I dunno it just seems like they might've sliced some things up. In the book certain scenes were longer and I can't help but assume the author wouldn't take it upon himself to take a two minute scene and turn it into six.

*SPOILER*

Also a theory behind padme's "lack of will to live," perhaps it had something to do with anakins anguish that was going on simultaneously, some sort of connection through the force, she felt his pain because he was concentrated on her...but then again he might've just been concentrated on being majorly effed up and having droids poke him with metal things.

And the scene where he 'wakes up' as vader was awesome, I thought the dialog was well done especially when he got wicked pissed and started crushing stuff with the force, then that whole noooooo, ruined it. Hell even just an unintelligeable holler would be better than that.

*END SPOILER ALERT*

Lucas is good at coming up with ideas for stuff. He really shouldn't be directing things. Or publicly stating that the plot lines for Episodes I & II were "thin and only about 20% story, it was mostly doodling." You don't doodle with movies half the world has been waiting to see. You doodle with howard the duck 2.

Chestnuts roasted by Former A1C Pete @ 05/21/2005 09:42 AM EST

Yeah, it seemed cut to bits.

*spoilers*

When Yoda is meditating at the end, on that asteroid base or whatever, it's pretty obvious that scene was the tail end of an earlier planned Liam Neeson appearance. It's a real shame that wasn't left in (or even shot?) Yoda talking about it to Ob1 is an incredibly frustrating scene without it.

Chestnuts roasted by Jakke @ 05/21/2005 10:02 AM EST

Ain't It Cool News' Vern is slowly becoming my favorite reviewer:
http://www.geocities.com/outlawvern/ReviewsS.html#starwars3
"By the way I got a theory here about part 1 or 2 or whichever it was, when they got the E.T.s in it. As all trekkies know there is a scene in one of the star warses where they're in the senate, and in the corner of the screen you look closely using the pause technology and what you got is a delegation of the E.T. aliens from the movie E.T. Well at the time I thought this was sort of an 'in' type joke but now that I've had five or six years to really seriously contemplate this scene I realized what's REALLY going on here in my opinion. You see E.T. - not just any E.T. but the specific character of E.T. we all know and love from the movie E.T. - he used to be a space senator. But that was a long time ago in a galaxy really, really far away or what have you. And the senate was dissolved when the empire was created. So now it's years later, 1982 or whenever, and the poor glowing bastard is flying around picking god damn flowers for a job. It's pathetic. So what I figure is, E.T. is always complaining about it. 'I used to be Senator E.T. We flew around on platforms. I knew chewbaccas and everybody. I was like a god to girl E.T.s. And now this is my life, sneaking around at night picking flowers. I'm a fuckin migrant worker.' Eventually these other flower pickers are gonna be sick of the senator's bullshit and take matters into their own long alien glowing fingers. What I'm saying here friends is the beginning of E.T. was no god damn accident. What I'm saying is, they left that fucker there for a reason. They WANTED Senator E.T. to be stranded on earth. Because otherwise they had fly back with him. And you know what happened though, my man learned his lesson by going through one of them inner journeys. He hit rock bottom. He learned how to party, getting drunk, dressing up like a girl, etc. He flew on a bike, he died and came back, he turned on his heart light, all because of the magic of a young boy's dream. And now hopefully he's gonna be a little bit less of a prick. It's like Scrooge in space. Only on earth.

Anyway E.T.'s not in this one that I noticed so fuck him. The point is, STAR WARS 3 is a pretty good space movie in my opinion."

Chestnuts roasted by ME @ 05/21/2005 10:36 AM EST

bad_karma:

- Bail had Antilles wipe C-3PO's memory so he could never divulge the secret that Padme's children survived and where they are living. R2 was allowed to keep his memories since nobody can understand him and he remembered where Ben was living in Episode IV.
This is also why Padme's body had a false pregnant belly during her funeral on Naboo - to throw the Empire's agents off, to make them (and thus Vader) think their child died with her.

- The Battle of Coruscant was fought within the orbit of the planet. The Invisible Hand (Grievious's ship) lost power to its engines briefly, causing it to go down, and when it was shot to hell by the Republic, it sucuumbed to the gravity of the planet, owing to its lack of engines and proximity.

As for why Padme died - think of it this way: Her husband has betrayed his Order, murdered his masters and fellows, committed henious atrocities, stated his desire to rule to the galaxy, he tried to choke her to death, she, a passionate and idealistic believer in democracy, has seen everything she has fought for in the Republic shattered when it was declared an autocratic Empire. That is a hell of alot for somebody to take.

As for Vader yellow 'NOOO!', well, he did all the crap I mentioned up their in the belief he could save his wife, only to end up nearly killing her in blind anger. It is the bitter irony of the Dark Side: you give everything and you end up as nothing (and, judging from what we've seen previously, you die a horrible death).

And I don't think Anakin brought balance to the Force by both culling the Jedi and killing Palpatine, that's almost saying eliminating the jedi is a good thing, and its rather at odds given its a Jedi prophecy.

Chestnuts roasted by Fit For Natalie @ 05/21/2005 10:43 AM EST

Did anyone else see a commercial on the Toon Disney channel for a new episode of Power Rangers with the Ninja Turtles in it? Or am I going crazy?

Chestnuts roasted by Meat Popsicle @ 05/21/2005 10:45 AM EST

Seeing it tomorrow.

Wee!

Chestnuts roasted by Fetus @ 05/21/2005 02:05 PM EST

Quick 'splaination, Meat Pop:
MMPR-Saban produced
TMNT Next Mutation-Saban produced
Result-Queen Astronema hypnotizes the Turtles into fighting the Power Rangers, or as it is rightly known: BLASPHEMY!!!!
As some magazine complained a few years ago, Why does Saban take good properties (specifically the Super Sentai shows) and alters them into something like Saved By The Bell in Space?

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/21/2005 02:07 PM EST

Now that I think of it, Saved By The Bell In Space sounds like a great idea. "Hey, look! Screech in zero-g!"

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/21/2005 02:19 PM EST

The younglings! XD

Seriously, though, good stuff. Only complaints are: Wookies for no reason. Chewbacca for no reason. They cut the Qui-gon Jin scene.

Chestnuts roasted by JDavis @ 05/21/2005 02:32 PM EST

Fit for Natalie, I like the stuff you said...have you read the novelization or are you just great at picking up stuff? I bought the Phantom Menace novel but not Attack of the Clones or the newest. I wonder if it's worth it...I already know I'm going to succumb to the urge to dig out my old Han Solo trilogy.
I don't think anybody has mentioned seeing the Falcon during one of the shots of Coruscant, was it just my imagination?
Our local theater has bad prints, I guess, because every show has a bunch of scratches and hiccups. GL would be livid. Anyway, I feel bad for the poor people working there because they've had to hand out a ton of replacement tickets. That didn't stop me from getting a pair of my own though. I'm going to see it again now.

Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 05/21/2005 03:53 PM EST

Check out FARK for the story of ROS suddenly turning Japanese. There were a few comments about bad prints showing up across the country. One person who works at a theater had a print missing an entire emulsion layer.
Alas, the thread turned into a "I know Japanese better than you" slap party, though. Gave a me a chance to relate a incident my Ma told me once about people trying to speak languages they weren't good at.

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/21/2005 04:53 PM EST

"Also, in Empire, Kenobi says "He's our last hope." then Yoda "reveils" to Kenobi. "No... there is another."
But in Sith, Kenobi Witnessed Leia's birth. OOPSIE!!"

Accccctually, he's not saying that he doesn't know about Luke's siter, because in ROTJ he tells Luke he has a sister. Kenobi knew all along, but Kenobi wasn't expecting Leia to be as strong in the force as Luke is, he had hopes for Luke in defeating Vader and the Emperor, not Leia.

Chestnuts roasted by John @ 05/21/2005 04:58 PM EST

Anyone else wonder, with all of the other bits slapped in just for the fans, why Anakin didn't say to Padme "Together we could rule the galaxy AS HUSBAND AND WIFE"? I almost fell out of my chair when that chance was passed up!

Chestnuts roasted by Zebez @ 05/21/2005 07:44 PM EST

Just wanted to chime in two of the things I had to think about after I saw the movie that seem to still be puzzling a few people: Pointless Wookie scenes, and Grievous only added to the film as another badass for someone to kill.

Well, as I figure it anyway, these two parts serve the same purpose: To distract Obi-Wan and Yoda. Palpatine didn't want either around while he finally took hold of Anakin, what with the huge affect Obi has on his apprentice, and how Yoda would have likely seen it comming and possibly been able to stop Anakin. So he sends Grievous off to some remote planet knowing the council will send Obi, and siezes the moment while Yoda is off on Kashhyyk (or whatever it is.)

That's the conclusion I came to anyway...most of you probably picked up on it while you were watching, though.

Chestnuts roasted by Tyler (Unless there's already a Tyler around here.) @ 05/21/2005 09:54 PM EST

Saw it twice this weekend with different groups of friends. I really enjoyed it. I couldn't help but mark out when the green Lucasfilm logo glows and then the music starts up. Reminds me of my childhood. =)

Chestnuts roasted by Jeff Mack @ 05/21/2005 11:37 PM EST

shit matt, 700 entries? i guess you are more popular than you thought O.o

Chestnuts roasted by stormy @ 05/22/2005 01:11 AM EST

"A point that nobody seems to be bringing up, and maybe got overlooked is when Palpatine is telling Anakin about HIS master, he mentions the ability to create life out of the metachlorians. Are they hinting or suggesting that Palpatine might have had a hand in Anakin's creation??

Posted by vinegartoast"

Yeah, my girlfriend and I picke dup on that the second Palpatine mentioned "creating life" and we spend lots of time gushing over it. Though, we took it more that there was a chance that It was Darth Plaugus who impregnated Shmi Skywalker. THOUGH, th idea taht it might have been Palpatine really brings in some intereting concepts, as in, could he have been planning on having Anakin as his apprentice ALL Anakin's life? I'll have to shoot this idea to her.

Chestnuts roasted by Blaine @ 05/22/2005 01:41 AM EST

The whole Darth Plagus thing is interesting. The idea that he could have been responsible for Anakin's birth is extremely interesting and brings up thoughts that maybe Anakin was destined for Sith-dom. It also brings up some nature vs nurture ideas as well.

Chestnuts roasted by cog @ 05/22/2005 11:43 AM EST

Technically I guess you could say Anakin did kill Padme when he decided to do the backseat rhumba with her. If she had never gotten pregnant she would've lived.....

"oh anakin......you're breaking my heart!" (said in the worst attempt to over act)

Oh yeah, I liked the "excorsist" style voice change for palpatine when fighting mace windu. I thought his head would start spinning and spewing split pea soup. But seriously when i first witnessed that moment i didn't know whether to laugh hysterically or run and hide. And I'm sorry it seemed like palpatine had a feeling of sexual pleasure after he tossed Mace Windu out the window. Too hilarious!!!!

Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/22/2005 03:06 PM EST

I enjoyed it. I just have some things to talk a bout. YOUNGLINGS!? Why not just go off and called them children or something. To me the wookies seemed pretty point less. People wanted wookies so Lucas just put them in without much care. Personally I would have preferred a new alien species.

Chestnuts roasted by Mr. @ 05/22/2005 10:24 PM EST

oh ya, and 4 different people lost one or more hands

Chestnuts roasted by Mr. @ 05/22/2005 10:26 PM EST

Episode 3 was pretty good.

Definitely better than Episodes 1 and 2. The dialogue ranged from good to "what the hell were you thinking?", but that's mainly because Lucas can't write a love story to save his life.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked the movie. I just don't understand why Lucas thinks his viewers are idiots. So much of the movie felt like... how do I put this... it felt like Lucas felt he needed to outright state everything because you wouldn't get it if he implied it.

Somewhat ham-fisted but, overall, enjoyable. That's how I would describe Episode 3.

WHY DID GREVIOUS HAVE A RUSSIAN ACCENT?

And I will never buy a drink at a movie every again. I had to piss though 2/3rds of the movie but I was afraid to leave because I might miss something. Turns out I could have left during one of those awful Anakin/Padme scenes and missed nothing.

Chestnuts roasted by Night_Trekker @ 05/23/2005 12:48 AM EST

squee4242: I haven't read the novelisation, but some bits and pieces of it from forum posts, and through logical deduction based upon the emotions of the scene and recurring themes in Star Wars (both canon and Expanded Universe), particularly how the Sith always gets what's coming to them = a horrible death.

Night_Trekker: The problem is a SHITLOAD of people still need things to be spelt out for them, they don't understand what Lucas implies, and for some people ROTS didn't SPELL IT OUT WORD FOR WORD, like why Padme died.

Chestnuts roasted by Fit For Natalie @ 05/23/2005 03:57 AM EST

OPENED WORLDWIDE EXCEPT JAPAN AND KOREA....STUPID KOREA. So, I have been going insane reading all the hype and not being able to see it in cinema until May 26th! My roomate bought an illegal copy on the streets of Seoulm though, and I watched the first glorious 40 minutes, in bad quality. It was SO hard to turn it off, but I want to watch it in its entirety in theaters....stupid, stupid Korea- why??

To tide myself over, I read the novelization on Ep. II- Attack of the Clones....it sucked. Awful writing.

Chestnuts roasted by Muppet Baby @ 05/23/2005 04:47 AM EST

Yeah, there was definitely a lot of last minute editing (Mon Mothma anyone?).
As for the love story and being spoon fed exposition, these are fair criticisms. Bottom line, Lucas is a visual storyteller. I think that is why CLONE WARS was so good: minimal dialogue. There was never any real reason for Padme and Anakin to fall in love. I can see him liking her but her motivation was very contrived.

Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/23/2005 05:07 AM EST

P.S. happy b-day Manimal.......

Chestnuts roasted by The Manimal @ 05/23/2005 05:09 AM EST

The force is not with the x-mas theme here. C-mon matt!!! hook us up with a Dope Summer bkgnd!!!! you rowakkkkkkkkkk!!! id kiss you but, we are both not gay so.... yeah....umm go jedi"s!!!!!

Chestnuts roasted by Darth Santa @ 05/23/2005 07:29 AM EST

Fit for Natalie, thanks for giving your input on some questions i raised. I don't agree with all of them, but it's still good to get feedback fron another point of view.

I just wanted to comment on the reason Padme died: Yah, I'll give you that Anakin did all that stuff (the whole turning evil thing), and that'd be hard to take. But I'd say that THAT causing her to not have the will to live is crap. She's a new mother...of TWO children. I'm hoping most parents would agree that the thought of caring for her two children would be enough to keep her alive.

I really think I could have enjoyed this movie if I didn't know anything about the SW Universe.

Chestnuts roasted by bad karma @ 05/23/2005 08:50 AM EST

I wanted to ask the other X-E parents out there...
Did you take your kids to see Ep 3? If so, how old are they?

thx

Chestnuts roasted by bad karma @ 05/23/2005 08:53 AM EST

am i the only one here that thinks that luke, not vader, was the actual chosen one? i mean, he's not the badass vader was, but he did 'bring balance to the force' by turning vader back to the good side, who, in turn, killed the emperor

Chestnuts roasted by jokun @ 05/23/2005 09:18 AM EST

As for the contrived reasons why Padme fell in love with Anakin, he could have been using his MAGIC FORCE POWERS on that sweet galactic babe.

After all, it's not like he's the most moral of people :-)

Chestnuts roasted by Lord Vader @ 05/23/2005 11:11 AM EST

Happy Birthday, Manimal? Well then, have a great day, hope everything is well for you and the whole family! Happy B-Day!

still haven't seen it yet...

Chestnuts roasted by kidneyboy @ 05/23/2005 11:17 AM EST

General Grabass is strong like ten Russian women!
Matt, when is ToyFare going to have TTT ripping Chap III? I have the issues of TF wih Mego Superman beating up Terrance Stamp, and Mace Windu lopping off people's arms while saying, "This party's over!" Can't wait to see what commentary the guys have on this one.

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/23/2005 11:44 AM EST

HAPPY 'NOTHER YEAR, MANIMAL!!!
You deserve a cookie!

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/23/2005 11:48 AM EST

I have nothing to say on the movie, as I have yet to see it (saw Hitchiker's Guide this weekend though - I liked it), I did however want to wish Manimal a happy birthday. I also wanted to say SCREW ALL YOU! MATT YOU LEAVE THE X-MAS THEME HERE HOWEVER THE HELL LONG YOU WANT!

But go ahead and finish the Chia Plot please.

Chestnuts roasted by jhnnywalkr @ 05/23/2005 12:02 PM EST

Jokun:

I disagree. Luke helps turn his father back to the good, but it is ultimately Vader who makes the final choice to throw Palpatine over the side.

Also, remember that Luke is Vader's offspring. Which means that without Vader, Luke would not have existed.

I still think Anakin is/was the chosen one...Luke is simply part of the prophecy, too.

Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 05/23/2005 12:21 PM EST

Dude, space battle at the beginning? Just awesome. Not long enough. General Grievous? Coolest looking character ever and the way he moved was just great. Seeing Darth Vader in armor? Pleased me very much.

On the other hand... I don't care what some people say, that dialogue was the most horrible stuff I had to wade through. Some pieces I liked, like when Obi-Wan screamed at Anakin, "You were supposed to be the chosen one!" But when Palpatine was at knifepoint with Windu? "I'm so weak! I'm so weak! I can't hold him off any longer!" Uggh.

And the "Nooooooooooooo." that Darth Vader let out at the end. That's what I say when I want to spoof something. God.

General Grievous was awesome to look at though. I want his action figure now.

Chestnuts roasted by Sucrose @ 05/23/2005 12:44 PM EST

If we learned the Force here on Earth, can you imagine how lazy we would become? Remote controls a thing of the past. Loading DVD's a video tapes from the sofa. My God... it would be beautiful.

Chestnuts roasted by Christi Leigh @ 05/23/2005 01:01 PM EST

Happy Birthday, Manimal!

Chestnuts roasted by trajeal @ 05/23/2005 01:16 PM EST

KARMA...

I wouldn't take a child younger than maybe 9 or 10 - there is a lot of stuff happening in this movie that is too much for a young child to take. It may sound prissy, but seriously - seeing a guy lose his legs and then burst into flames and moan and wail just seems like something that young children don't really need to see prematurely.
Sure, the lava and fight scenes were pretty cool, but killing the kids (even though it's off-screen) and the general atmosphere would make me highly consider not taking a young child... It just isn't like the other SW movies...

:o)

Chestnuts roasted by Gretchen @ 05/23/2005 01:31 PM EST

Well, I enjoyed it. I've seen it 3 times. Unfortunately, there are some things that seemed rushed, and they definately should have left eh Qui-Gon scene in. Yoda's last comments to Obi seemed to come out of left field.

As far as "No, there is another..." Someone else mentioned it, both Yoda and Obi knew about the twins, but I don't believe either expected Leia to have any force powers, or at least, not as strong as Anakin/Luke. In the Extended Universe books, Leia doesn't begin to learn to use them until after ROTJ, but they all knew she would have them. Luke also tells her that in ROTJ.

Also, the exact lines of ROTJ are:

Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother....you're real mother...?

Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young....

Luke: What do you remember?

Leia: Just....images really. Feelings.

So it's obvious that they both know Leia is adopted. Also, she says images, and feelings. So how many times do the Force users use feelings? THat's basically how she an have a recollection of her mother. I don't see why so many people are confused/have a problem with this.

Yoda was badass. I really wanted more Wookies, and I think it would have helped the Jedi Purge if they would have said something about Order 66 when they first found out about the clones. You know, like they knew it was there. Like a secret imprint on the clones, and only figure it out once the Jedi Purge began. Oh well, what's done is done.

SO either Palpy or Plagius created Anakin. Watching Yoda and Obi-Wan fight side by side was great (although REALLY brief). To understand why Grevious ended up the way he did, you need to watch Clone Wars. MAce almost killed him. It's mind boggling how Hayden and Portman have ZERO chemistry with each other, but have chemistry with everyone else. I thought Hayden did a good job, and his banter with Obi-Wan seemed natural and as if they had fought side by side for some time.

All in all, I enjoyed it, and I was happy. Lucas could have done worse, but we got something finally did justice. And for those that have this really sad and twisted hate for the prequels, I can almost garauntee you will by the DVD when it comes out and then watch all 6 movies including the "atrocious" first two.

Chestnuts roasted by XGalvatronX @ 05/23/2005 01:32 PM EST

The more I think about it, the more I love the movie. Yes, there are quite a few plotholes.. but that's alright. It was still good eyecandy.

I have one gripe though. Grievous. I love the bad guys and I always have and Grievous was no exception (he was probably my favourite, actually) but.. If he's supposed to be the best fighter, a Jedi killer and all that.. Why was Obi Wan able to cut off his hands right away? He has four arms and he almost immediately lost two hands. What is that?! I wanted to see more Grievous. :\

I don't think Plagius created Anakin. I think it was Palpatine. He wanted a decent apprentice so he took on Dooku while Anakin was growing up, knowing that he'd be discovered as a Jedi at some point. Since he was created out of midichlorians, that would be why his count it so high, and the unexplained pregnancy of his mother who does say 'There was no father' during the first movie.

I have very little to gripe about. I truly did enjoy it. But more Grievous, dammit. I want the action figure.

Chestnuts roasted by Starreh @ 05/23/2005 01:45 PM EST

There is an upside from the "Special Editions" of 4, 5, and 6, though. They can patch up some movies that were otherwise ok, but with a minor glitch or two. In a related vein: Lets talk somebody into remaking TransFormers: The Movie totally in CGI. But, use the same old soundtrack. You just can't replace Scatman as G1 Jazz.

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/23/2005 01:49 PM EST

I've been dissapointed with both the Grevious action figures I've bought. (Deluxe and 12".)

Don't blame James Earl Jones for the "NOO!" line- it was Lucas' call on which take to use.

I still haven't seen the movie, but I will soon enough... Clonetroopers rule!

Chestnuts roasted by DarkPrimus @ 05/23/2005 01:49 PM EST

DarkPrimus: What's wrong with the Grievous action figures? I'm not wasting my money if they aren't worth it. (Well, I probably will, but I'd still like to know anyway.)

Chestnuts roasted by Starreh @ 05/23/2005 01:58 PM EST

What?! Vader kills the emperor?! Way to ruin it for me, thanks guys. ;-)

In the book it kinda explains how obi-wan whooped Grievous so quickly. The short of it is, obi-wan uses the most common lightsaber fighting style, its very simple, and he's a complete and utter master of it. Simplicity in itself can be confusing I would imagine if your opponent is being all fancy and fancy like with four arms and what not. Never the less, I'm taking captain solo and he's friend...I mean never the less, I would've liked to see a little more lightsaber action between grievous and obi-wan.

And I really really loved the end duel with battle of the heros playing and it kept cutting back and forth between yoda/emperor and obi-wan/anakin.

Chestnuts roasted by Former A1C Pete @ 05/23/2005 02:17 PM EST

Admitedlly, we shouldn't have to read the novel to fill in the gaps, the gaps should be in the novel and filled in by the movie. Which actually brings a new thought to mind, that sort of confirms the wookies being a last minute thing...
There's no distinct mention or detail of the battle of kashyyk in the novel or the video game. I figured "well maybe georgy's got something special planned and we only need to keep them from escaping...I mean, that the battle was going to be this insanely cool and large deal, not 45 seconds of wookies roaring" but apparently I was wrong.

Chestnuts roasted by Former A1C Pete @ 05/23/2005 02:21 PM EST

I think that kinda sucks that you had to watch the cartoon to understand the movie. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the cartoon is badass but its almost like being required to watch the Star Wars Christmas SPecial to get info needed for the movie viewing. They should just keep it in the movies....

And alas I still have the image of darth sidious screaming "NOO, NOO, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! YOU WILL DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!!" (during his duel with Mace) in my head. I swear he's gonna turn into Linda Blair at that point. I keep thinking his next line is going to be "YOUR MOTHER SUCKS COCKS IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/23/2005 02:40 PM EST

Laraine Newman: Your MoThEr Sews Socks tHAt SmeLl!!!
Richard Pryor: What? What you say 'bout my Momma?
LN: Yo mOMma SEWs Socks thAT smell!
RP (jumping on bed to strangle LN): Don't you be sayin' stuff 'bout my Momma!

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 05/23/2005 03:59 PM EST

hahahahahahaa kingklash i totally forgot about that skit!!!!

Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/23/2005 04:18 PM EST

Wish I could see the movie.

Sigh...

Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz

Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/23/2005 04:35 PM EST

Will no one make a copy for Erik? How much could it be to send a dvd to germany $5 to $10? heard on the radio you can buy it in china for $2.50. What do you think Erik? would you want someone to send you a copy?

Chestnuts roasted by RAS @ 05/23/2005 05:10 PM EST

I would not recommend that.
I am watching you.
We all are. Always.

Chestnuts roasted by John Ashcroft, US Attorney General @ 05/23/2005 05:14 PM EST

Hey, quick question...

A friend of mine mentioned to me the other day that they are planning on starting work on a Star Wars TV series....

Anyone have any word on this?

Chestnuts roasted by Noob @ 05/23/2005 05:16 PM EST

reminds me of head of state, silly chris rock movie, "how do you know that?" "we're the government we know everything"

How old does something have to be to be nostaglic over, can we include early ninties? It was 15 years ago now or do we wait until it's 20's years old?

Chestnuts roasted by RAS @ 05/23/2005 05:24 PM EST

Thanks to theforce.net for this link........ see what mostly college professors were saying about ROTJ in 1983!!!!

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/net.movies.sw/threads?start=270&order=recent

Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 05/23/2005 06:12 PM EST

phunqsauce:

that's crazy...especially considering I was only a few months old at the time...cool link...

I wonder how far back archives like this go? Can you still, somewhere out there, access old ARPANET posts and such?

Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 05/23/2005 06:40 PM EST

To those how hated Palpatine's whining, he was doing that to get Anakin to attack Mace. Sure, his acting may have been bad too, but the motivation was, as in everything else he does, to get Anakin to turn to the darkside. He was far from beaten.

Chestnuts roasted by Zebez @ 05/23/2005 06:47 PM EST

I'd love a copy. How much is Lucas charging to see it in the states?

Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz

Chestnuts roasted by EMajorwitz @ 05/24/2005 02:33 AM EST

Starreh: The Deluxe's action feature hinders posability. I would reccomend picking up either the Sneak Preview version or the Four Lightsaber Attack version of Grevious if you want posability.

The 12" figure sucks balls because it's next to impossible to get him to stand up, and his fingers are made of soft plastic, so you can't even have him hold his fucking lightsabers. His cape is the most badass cape I've ever seen, though. I'm thinking I'll give him a black wash to bring out all the details of his sculpt, and then give him a top hat. Then he can do a song and dance number with my 12" Xenomorph (who is currently singing a solo with my other 12" Star Wars figures in a kickline behind him).

Chestnuts roasted by DarkPrimus @ 05/24/2005 05:13 PM EST

Oh, as a note: I don't own either of those figures I recccomended, but judging from the picures on rebelscum.com, they're the best. Good luck finding a Sneak Preview Grevious, though.

Chestnuts roasted by DarkPrimus @ 05/24/2005 05:15 PM EST

Erik M- If you want figures, but hate ebay, go to cloudcity.com- Way better, and lots of diff. stuff. I am sorry you hadn't had the chance to see the movie!!!

Chestnuts roasted by TW @ 05/29/2005 04:02 PM EST

"Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother....you're real mother...?"

Galvatron, here's my attempt at explaining this apparent inconsistency: maybe Bail Organa's first wife died early on when Leia was a child, and the Bail remarried. Leia would think his first wife was her "real mother", when in fact it was just her first adoptive mother. Howzzat?

Anyway, I thought it was a good movie, though obviously it could've been much better. I still won't accept Hayden Christensen as Anakin. The guy is such a TERRIBLE actor. It's no wonder he's thinking of quitting acting and becoming an architect- at least he knows his acting career will only go downhill from here on out.

The best part of the movie was when Anakin was lying there legless and literally fuming while Obi Wan confesses his disappointment and frustation- I thought that scene was so genuine, and of course mostly due to Ewan MacGregor. He's everything Hayden isn't. Although I think Ewan was perfect as Obi Wan, I can't help but wish HE had played Anakin instead. I think he could've singlehandedly raised Episodes 2 and 3 to OT status had he been chosed to portray Anakin. He's sort of wasted as Obi Wan, but still, he did a helluva job.

Chestnuts roasted by Al @ 05/30/2005 09:54 PM EST

When my husband and I left the theatre last week, I reflected on Christopher Lee and Ewan Macgregor. Both of them are genuinely trained actors that weren't pulled from a headshot portfolio and given the roll on looks alone. I am beginning to wonder whether well-trained acting in big film is a dying art.

I guess there are a few greats in the work such as Toby McGuire and Ewan, but honestly, since I'm a woman who’s not afraid to dis a pretty actress, I can say Natalie Portman just may not have been the best pick for the role. She looked the part, but the film just never played off with any real depth from neither of the young portrayals of Padme and Anikan. Both Christensen and Portman seemed under confident in most scenes.

I've watched Portman in other roles where she's able to interpret more. She has talent to spare. I can't help but wonder whether Lucas buried any creative juices that flowed on the set that weren't his own creation.

If he does make another trilogy, he really needs to step aside and let another director take the reins.

Chestnuts roasted by Christi Leigh @ 06/01/2005 08:28 PM EST

Yo matt,
I found your site in the links on maddox's site and have been reading your site avidly for about a year and a half. I just realized you have no links to his site. I just thought you should know.

Chestnuts roasted by Freakyzipcode @ 06/04/2005 04:33 PM EST