06/26/2004 Entry: "Fahrenheit 9/11"

Caught Fahrenheit 9/11 last night. Pretty amazing stuff. The most surreal thing was seeing a film like this in the same environment where we normally chow down on popcorn and cheer when Jean Grey shows signs of her inner Phoenix. I'm not educated enough to give you an educated opinion, so I won't try. What I will say is that it's powerful. There are bits that'll come as a complete surprise (and not in a happy way) to many, but even those who've done their part to keep up with the real news will be a little taken aback at seeing it put forth this way. Some reviews I've read point to it as a mere shock piece, citing the images of gruesomely wounded Iraqis and whatnot -- let me tell you, that wouldn't even rank in my top ten in terms of the most assaulting moments. It's bias, yes, but it's the ultimate voicing of a sentiment shared by many, many people. The film's point is to paint Bush as an asshole; if not, some will certainly leave the theater thinking he's a buffoon. Moore makes points of varying validity; some you won't agree with, others will have you embarrassed for having previously believed anything different. Though at times unfairly bias and skewed, some of Moore's gathered factoids and clips simply can't be argued against. If you erase the op parts and just view the purely documentary portion, you're still left with some serious shit to think about. Moore's mission wraps up without a solid smoking gun, but there's more than enough here to sway a flighty opinion.

Chestnuts roasted by None @ 06/26/2004 05:11 PM EST

Edit: I meant say check my "homepage"...

Chestnuts roasted by None @ 06/26/2004 05:13 PM EST

Well the thing about Moore you gotta think about (if you did'nt know already) is that he is EXTREMELY biased against Bush, he also thinks every republican to ever exist is as evil as satan and twice as ugly. So I really don't pay attention to what he says though I havent seen F 9/11, I just don't think I would be getting a fair oppinion. But it looks like you pretty much paid attention mostley to the factual stuff so you probably got more out of it than some did. Anyway when are you gonna do that Hostess Snack Maker? Or did you give it to RoG at I-Mockery so he and his pal could give it the middle finger? Im just glad I didnt buy it, which I almost did.

Chestnuts roasted by Mr. S @ 06/26/2004 05:14 PM EST

Well, I know the truths are stretched by clever organization in the film, but really, just seeing the actual footage he's acquired makes it interesting. The rest is up for debate obviously.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/26/2004 05:17 PM EST

$9.25 for a movie ticket man that is a alot. I feel ripped off if I pay even pay $7.50 at the movies.

Chestnuts roasted by JoseRZ @ 06/26/2004 05:23 PM EST

Welcome to New Yawk.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/26/2004 05:24 PM EST

matt you should've went to matinee 5.75

Chestnuts roasted by Drphilisdadevil @ 06/26/2004 05:28 PM EST

All I can say is that I know someone who used to work with Michael Moore, and I will say no more about Moore in respect for possible fans of his work here.

This has been on Drudge for the past couple of days and ties in with None's link for the other side's opinion:
'Michael and them: Moore foes hold fest' www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000552469

Chestnuts roasted by ME @ 06/26/2004 05:36 PM EST

A political discussion here? Where's the Ecto-Cooler?

Seriously, there's no filmmaking laws that say Moore has to be balanced. I'm tired of the conservative mouthbreathers whining about that. There isn't a documentary made in the HISTORY OF FILM that has total balance. Go ahead, try to find one!

"Balance" is a new term for crybabies who can't street fight in the political world.

Moore is making a personal political statement. The film has more truth than many want to believe, and yes, it does distort events to make a bigger point. But it's Moore's film and his angle on events.

Doesn't anyone ever wonder why there isn't a right-wing Moore-ish type of filmmaker?

Chestnuts roasted by Todd Leroy Cummings @ 06/26/2004 05:38 PM EST

I need to know: for those of you who have seen the film, did the audience clap when the smart old lady wrapped up her speech? Everyone kept waiting for her to be all old and feeble, but she kept churning out the Old Lady Awesomeness one line after another.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/26/2004 05:42 PM EST

You'd be surprised about how little of this movie was not distorted by Moore. This is beyond just Moore's "angle of events." This is another deliberate attempt at misleading the American public to serve Moore's and other extreme liberals' political agendas. I did not vote for Bush, would like him out of office, and am not strongly conservative, but I can just never take anything produced by Moore as anything close to the whole story. Here's a site that I believe everyone needs to see: http://www.bowlingfortruth.com

Chestnuts roasted by XTacy @ 06/26/2004 05:59 PM EST

Obviously the guy ain't bulletproof, far from it. I'm not so much a fan of his, I just agree with a lot of what's said in F911. I guess the difference is that I believed these things before seeing the movie; for someone with an opinion closer to XTacy's, I can see why they might be upset. If you look at this film and consider it unbelievably skewed and unfair, you're going to be pissed off seeing others swap sides based on viewing it.

Regardless, I still agree with the points made. Some of the tactics, maybe not. Some of the corny string-pulling, definitely not. But the really important stuff? Yes.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/26/2004 06:06 PM EST

I read "Stupid White Men" a while back. It was a great book, infuriating, but still a great book. I later found out that some of Moore's "facts" were skewed or completely made up to make for a more entertaining read. It's kinda soured my view of him for the moment. I'd still like to see the movie at some point though.

Chestnuts roasted by pulseczar @ 06/26/2004 06:35 PM EST

Stupid White Men was a great movie. I have yet to see F 9/11 but I'm sure it wil just tell me what I already know. I mean its a given that Bush is a fuck-up but also you almost have to have some sympathy for him. If you were the President how much could you trust your Intellegence agencies? They must get flooded with false threats and other forms of info that aren't true on a daily basis. I can tell you right now that being the president of this country is the last job i'd EVER want. When you have to make your decisions on what your advisors tell you is right its a huge gamble. I know all of you think I'm full of shit but you gotta find some truth behind what i say.

Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 06/26/2004 07:22 PM EST

Todd Leroy Cummings- There are, but they never get any publicity or really any funding for that matter because everybody hates them. Especially religious folk like me.

Chestnuts roasted by Nate @ 06/26/2004 07:29 PM EST

I have yet to see f9/11 and i cant really say that i plan to. I already dislike bush with a passion and dont feel the need to watch a movie that will piss me off all over again. and yes it is a one sided view of things but people know that going in. all in all atleast it gives people somthing to talk about.weather you like him or hate him you know that there will be healthy discussion

Chestnuts roasted by 0 @ 06/26/2004 08:05 PM EST

I should probably make the correction that I'm not exactly a right-wing conservative, but some people may consider me to be so. I would say that I'm more towards the middle. I should also add that not EVERYBODY hates right-wing conservatives, it just seems that way sometimes.

The truth is, I neither like nor hate bush, and I am really quite indifferent when it comes to politics altogether. I guess you could say I'm more of an anarchist in the fact that I think people should base their actions on their own personal ethics rather than whether it's legal or not.

Chestnuts roasted by Nate @ 06/26/2004 08:11 PM EST

Perhaps a Libertarian, Nate?

Chestnuts roasted by Nachokhaki @ 06/26/2004 09:44 PM EST

"The truth is, I neither like nor hate bush, and I am really quite indifferent when it comes to politics altogether."

Couldnt agree more, politics is generally something I really dont concern myself with most of the time. Bush aint perfect, but what president is/was?

Chestnuts roasted by Mr. S @ 06/26/2004 11:05 PM EST

Ooooh, I have to wonder where this thread will end up. I guess that first guy's been Googling "Michael Moore" all day looking for places to plug.

I've been waiting for F911 for some time and now I've got a fair opinion from someone I trust (and who's waited to see the movie before judging it).

"Though at times it may seem unfairly bias and skewed, some of Moore's gathered factoids and clips simply can't be argued against."

Hey, they've got Fox News, we need somebody on our side who isn't afraid of playing as dirty as them

Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 06/26/2004 11:12 PM EST

woo-who-- first time posting here! I think I'll do something to celebrate! like drink. done.

Ookay. Moore-- first of all, most of what he says in Bowling for Columbine is not even in question. Because the link was given upthread for a partisan attack on Moore, read his response here. I think he covers most of what the others claim. People argue about minor points (the gun in the bank scene), but they can't argue with his major themes, because he is correct. They try and smear the film by smearing the film-maker (see David Brooks in the Times today), and try and discredit the whole film by focusing on one or two increadible (and yet still true) scenes, but they remain the ones who have trouble with reality.

Second: F9/11. If you'll notice, any partisan attack on it focuses on two or maybe free points-- mostly they're complaining about his depiction of the Saudis flying (domestically) before the flight ban was lifted. Quite honestly, since that's the main point of contention that partisan hacks have with the movie, you'd think that on the whole, the film is unimpeachable in its depiction of the facts. In fact, everything Moore says in the film has been checked several times by several teams of lawyers and fact checkers, and it all has been verified.

Anyone who attacks this film on a factual basis just wants the facts to be different-- the facts may be seen from a different angle, but I'm afraid that facts are facts.

That's enough of that.

So, this weekend I learned there was a dark-wing duck movie. I'm so mad that I missed it. Damn.

Chestnuts roasted by syrup @ 06/26/2004 11:23 PM EST

I didn't get any cheers for the old lady's speech, but being in St. Louis, a pretty democratic city, the theater erupted in laughter and applause at the mention of John Ashcroft's loss to Mel Carnahan -- after Carnahan was dead.

Chestnuts roasted by John @ 06/27/2004 12:03 AM EST

Matt - saw the film and there was some clapping for the awesomeness of the Old Lady at my theatre! I thought the film was good and thought provoking. Moore, of course, is bias toward Dubya, but he makes it easier for more (no pun intended) to see that GW is an asshole! All this shit started from Daddy's war and now trickles down to weapons of mass destruction and such - Christ's sakes, I just wish there woulda been some sort of weapon of destruction so it wouldn't have looked like we went in there for a waste. Now even I've got friends dying and fighting over there. Sorry for the rant, but I hate Dubya a lot.

~Say, Say, Say What You Want,
But Don't Play Games With My Affection.
Take, Take, Take What You Need,
But Don't Leave Me With No Direction.

Chestnuts roasted by Mugzy. . . @ 06/27/2004 01:13 AM EST

I saw it last night (Friday) and all the shows were sold out. I live in a pretty liberal city, and people outside were handing out flyers to a peace march in Detroit (I live in a 'burb). It was fun.

But anyways. About the movie.

It probably was the most powerful movie I have ever seen. Everyone is saying how against conservatives Moore is, but he actually doesn't really care too much for democrats either. Moore was on a bunch of talk shows on Friday and whenever anyone commented on his bias he fairly admitted that the movie was, while also stating that it was about time that the other side was told compared to something like Fox news.

It was great. I laughed many times, I cried many times, and overall I honestly didn't think it was as "opininated" as Bowling for Columbine, if that makes any sense. All the evidence was there, he was just the voice to explain the links. If I would've seen all that evidence on any news program with Tom Brokaw or something it would have made me just as angry. All of it was put there for everyone to see.

Even if I was a conservative, I would see it just because I believe that it's always good to hear both sides of a story. Some conservative filmmakers are in the process of making a film to counter Michael Moore, and I'll probably see that too, just for laughs.

The soldier's mom still gets to me though.

Chestnuts roasted by Emmaaaaa @ 06/27/2004 02:03 AM EST

I haven't seen the movie, so I'd like to reserve judgement on that. However, I do put Michael Moore in the same category as any conservative commentator. Instead of skewing facts I like my information as unbiased as possible because I like to think I can make up my own mind about who I vote for, but I guess listening to conservative talk radio, or reading an Al Fraken book is just easier for most people.

Chestnuts roasted by Mark @ 06/27/2004 02:14 AM EST

But where can you get unbiased news these days? I usually listen to NPR, but that's often accused of being "liberal"...

I haven't seen the film yet, I probably will even though it will upset me. My own feelings on Mr. Moore are mixed; I agree with many things he says, but I am afraid this movie may be preaching to the choir more than anything else. Also, anything he says has to be taken with a grain of salt, since his facts don't always check out.

One thing is certain; I do not like the way that Bush's administration is taking this country. Feelings about the man himself aside, whether you're political or not, we are already going to be feeling the global repercussions of this administration's actions for years to come. Getting him out of office now is necessary to minimize the damage.

Chestnuts roasted by Shia @ 06/27/2004 02:39 AM EST

Most people clapped when the old lady wrapped up her speech. Also when Michael Moore gave out the private office number of... whoever. I can't remember who it was. Everyone cheered for that part. I don't think I've ever laughed and cried at one movie as much as I have at this one. Personally, I think one of the best parts of the movie was when, out of nowhere, it went to a black screen and you could just hear the sounds of 9/11 for over a minute. It was probably the most powerful part of the movie, because there was no way you could expect something like that thrown at you, especially after we'd all be laughing at Bush's stories about his dog chasing an "armadilla."

I personally thought it was one of the best movies I've ever seen, as long as you step back and forget about your own opinions. At least Michael Moore is creating a movie that has a point and meaning to it, rather than everyone else, who just throw explosions - and in the case of Hellboy, for some unexplained reason, tentacles - at you. And don't even get me started on the Passion. Plus the movie really sucked you in. Everyone was laughing and crying and cheering together at the same parts of the movie. I just loved it.

So screw everyone who didn't enjoy it. I'll definitely buy it when it comes out.

Chestnuts roasted by Danny @ 06/27/2004 04:24 AM EST

those weren’t some mere "tentacles", that shit was Cthulhu!

Chestnuts roasted by markus @ 06/27/2004 09:59 AM EST

ME, how can you start to gossip about Moore and then take it back...come on give up the good stuff...I don't want the purple stuff, give me the Sunny D.

Chestnuts roasted by whitemale_98/competent soldier @ 06/27/2004 12:54 PM EST

I had no idea there was so much political unrest here at X-E. I thought we used the forum to discuss Transformers and rancid Hi-C. Unless someone questioned Prince Adam's handling of Skeletor's repeated attacks on Castle Greyskull, I wouldn't expect this sort of response from the X-E crowd.

Chestnuts roasted by pulseczar @ 06/27/2004 02:26 PM EST

Yeah, a strange thing to post about, I know. I just needed a reason to collect and scan ticket stubs. This was it.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/27/2004 02:27 PM EST

I certainly agree with everything you've said, Matt, it just took me by surprise to see such a politically charged topic on the site.

Chestnuts roasted by pulseczar @ 06/27/2004 02:33 PM EST

You can definitely tell what site you're on where this post gets 30 comments and the SMB flick gets 200.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/27/2004 02:34 PM EST

Moore's just a guy who hates America and so he goes around with his little camera shooting stuff and then taking it out of context and leaving out pertinent facts that don't fit his agenda. Yes, there is footage of Bush shaking hands with Osama Bin Laden's family, but Moore fails to mention that Osama's family has renounced him. If you want to hear all of the falsehoods and facts that are left out, listen to the Glenn Beck program tomorrow. Go to www.glennbeck.com to find an affiliate.

I haven't seen the film yet myself. I would like to, but I don't want to give Moore any more money that he can use to poison our country. If I go, I will buy a ticket to Harry Potter or something like that and then go into the 911 theater instead.

Chestnuts roasted by Jason @ 06/27/2004 02:38 PM EST

It's understandable when Moore's flick didn't a large woman representing a fish.

Chestnuts roasted by pulseczar @ 06/27/2004 02:44 PM EST

Here's an article I just found explaining Moore's lies further.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

Nice point.. pulseczar. I think if they ever made a Punch-Out movie, Moore would be a nice choice to play King Hippo.

Chestnuts roasted by Jason @ 06/27/2004 02:48 PM EST

I ain't even gonna walk into this. In keeping with my zodiac sign, Scorpio, I'm burrowing under the sand and waiting till it's safe to scurry about. (dig dig dig)

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 06/27/2004 02:58 PM EST

I can't get into the political ring either. Unfortunately all I know about politics I learned from MTV. I think thats why during the last presidential election I accidentally voted for Kurt Loder.

Chestnuts roasted by IncogNegro @ 06/27/2004 03:09 PM EST

I work at a movie theatre and saw an advanced screening of the movie, along with any other movies who decided to see it. See, the points of these screenings are supposedly that we're supposed to check to make sure the films are ready to show to the general public, and the only test subjects are the willing employees. In truth, it's just another way to make up for lowsy pay. If anything, I don't have a political party. I happen to hate most political commentators who aren't comedians, as comedians seem to be the only ones who can take politics seriously nowadays. The film was extremely powerful and moving, and although it was biased against Bush and the Iraqi war, Moore showed a strong compassion for soldiers and their family, something I did not expect from him. Some of the laughs that us theatre employees got were from the phone number, the armadillo, and one of our favorites was the montage of Bush Sr. and the Saudi Royalty meetings. Putting that portrait in the middle of it all was a stroke of genius. I happened to be sitting next to an assistant manager to the theatre, who after the movie told me that the theatre had been recieving a lot of calls along the lines of "We won't ever come again if you show that movie" and "That movie is treason." It seems a lot of people are just being told that the movie is a certain way, like Jason here (I don't mean to start any arguments with you personally, but you're a keen example. You see, you mention that he doesn't mention that Osama's family cut off all ties with Osama, and in fact he addresses this matter in full) and so they automatically assume such. It's kind of sickening. If this movie is political brainwash for the liberals (which it doesn't seem to be), than it's obvious the conservatives are stooping to the same low measures. Which is why I stay away from both sides. There's got to be a middle ground that's not inbetween the two.

Chestnuts roasted by Fuego @ 06/27/2004 04:02 PM EST

Nachokhaki-That pretty much sums it up. I guess anarchist would be too harsh of a word to use as a means of describing me.

Fuego has a view that heavily relates to mine. I find it's better to have a middle ground and be neither outright conservative nor a so-called crazy liberal. I find that there are areas in life in which there should be no absolute rules, and areas in which there should. However, instead of having all of those that should being enforced by some government, I'd rather see a system in which they are propagated and "encouraged" by leaders and speakers. The consequences for breaking such rules would not need to be brought on by capital punishment and such, but instead would be natural consequences, which would be taught by these leaders and/or speakers.

Chestnuts roasted by Nate @ 06/27/2004 04:29 PM EST

I also saw F911 with a friend on Friday night. It seemed to me that Moore was only doing this to mock Bush. I mean, come on, is it really nescisary to show completely random shots of the President laughing, or even getting ready to speak on TV? Granted, some of Moore's commentary was very humourous, some of it was completely off-topic. I realize that Moore is only tring to make a point, but the thing is that he HAD to make it humourous so that he could hold the attention of the liberals. The only other thing that I want to say if there are so many people who don't want Bush in office, but don't want Kerry either, why not vote for a third party candidate?

Chestnuts roasted by Steve @ 06/27/2004 04:33 PM EST

Matt, you just gave us the first true, non-bias review of it. Good for you. And Jean Grey.

Chestnuts roasted by Walks @ 06/27/2004 04:47 PM EST

Click the name, your Spader-Sense will tingle.

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 06/27/2004 05:09 PM EST

kingklash-the link doesn't seem to be working, but I think I know what you're talking about. I have a set of these figures myself, and even mentioned them on a blog last summer. I bought them at the California State Fair from some guy who was selling all sorts of flea market type stuff. I've seen more at the local flea market, and though about buying them. I also have another SPidey knock-off from this flea market where if you press a button on his bakc, a retarded little LED on his chest lights up. The figure is cheap, 12'" tall, and happens to be the strangest figure I own.

Chestnuts roasted by Nate @ 06/27/2004 05:42 PM EST

Matt-I remember sending you pics of my finding of "Spader-Man" action figures. You never responded. Damn you, Matt! j/k

Chestnuts roasted by Nate @ 06/27/2004 05:44 PM EST

Ok, the link worked. It's just slow, that's all.

Chestnuts roasted by Nate @ 06/27/2004 05:45 PM EST

Normally I would expect Matt to be writing deeply about things... but heck, he's right! A non-biased review! Good for you, Matt. I don't remember who said it, about comedians being the only ones who could be serious about politics nowadays, but it seems right! Goofy ol' Matt turns out the only review of this movie I've seen that actually reviews it as a movie, and not a political piece.

Chestnuts roasted by Freezair @ 06/27/2004 05:46 PM EST

Matt, I'm terribly sorry, I hope this doesn't break the blog (but it IS your fault for starting, however inadvertantly, a political discussion on X-E):

BUSH QUOTES! All gleamed from dubyaspeak.com

I think I've answered the question, and yes, [Arnold Schwarzenegger] would be a good governor, as would others running for governor of California. Like you, I'm most interested in seeing how the process evolves. It's a fascinating bit of political drama evolving in the state -- in the country's largest state.
-- Alaska is the country's largest state, followed by Texas (Dubya's state), followed by California, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 13, 2003

I appreciate so very much the Prime Minister, Jean Chretien, for joining us here. He has been a steadfast friend. I really enjoy dealing with him on a personal basis. He's a plain-spoken fellow, with a good sense of humor. Probably won't go too good up here in Canada, but he'd be a great Texan.
-- It would go even better if you were in Canada, Dubya, Detroit, Michigan, Sep. 9, 2002

And today, I'm informing the prime minister that we're lifting the travel ban on Turkey.
-- Which would have been a good thing if there had been a travel ban in the first place; unfortunately for Dubya, there wasn't, press conference with Turkish prime minister, Jan. 17, 2002

Over 50 percent of our energy comes from overseas. Fortunately, a lot of it comes from Canada.
-- Apparently an invisible ocean separates the U.S. and Canada, town hall forum in Ontario, California, Jan. 5, 2002

DUBYA: So what state is Wales in?
CHURCH: It’s a separate country next to England.
DUBYA: Oh, okay.
-- Exchange between Dubya and Welsh teenage singing sensation Charlotte Church, as reported in MSNBC, Oct. 30, 2001

Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better.
-- In press conference with Canadian PM, and apparently forgetting about the country wedged between Canada and Mexico, Sept. 24, 2001

We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, and we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease.
-- Warsaw, Poland, June 15, 2001

Most people in Arkansas know where Texas is, and all the people in Texas know where Arkansas is.
-- Insulting Arkansas in front of a group of Arkansas schoolchildren, Little Rock, Mar. 1, 2001

Vice President mentioned Nigeria is a fledgling democracy. We have to work with Nigeria. That's an important continent.
-- Presidential debate, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, Oct. 11, 2000

DUBYA: Because the picture on the newspaper. It just seems so un-American to me, the picture of the guy storming the house with a scared little boy there. I talked to my little brother, Jeb--I haven't told this to many people. But he's the governor of--I shouldn't call him my little brother--my brother, Jeb, the great governor of Texas.
JIM LEHRER: Florida.
DUBYA: Florida. The state of the Florida.
-- The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer, PBS, April 27, 2000

I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's pretty close to California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to California.
-- In Los Angeles as quoted by the Los Angeles Times, April 8, 2000

This is an historic times.
-- Yes this is... Denver, Colorado, Jun. 1, 20

This is historic times.
-- A repeat performance of this odd expression, heard also on Oct. 8, 2003, Washington, D.C., May 20, 2004

There is no doubt in my mind that this country cannot achieve any objective we put our mind to.
-- Oops. Buffalo, New York, Apr. 20, 2004

We can outcompete with anybody.
-- We can? Cool. Bay Shore, New York, Mar. 11, 2

I'm honored to, uhh, shake the hand -- of a brave Iraqi citizen who had his hand cut off by Saddam Hussein. Ummm, I'm with sssix other Iraqi citizens, as well, who suffered the same fate. Uhh, they are examples of the -- brutality, uhh, of the tyrant.
-- Granted, I think those words were chosen intentionally, but should they have been? And to be honest, he doesn't sound particularly honored, either, White House, May. 25, 2004

In the health care category, we have two winners: Baptist Hospitals in Pensacola, Florida -- I was wondering whether if we called it Pentecostal Hospitals, we'd be -- Saint Luke's Hospital, in Kansas City, Missouri.
-- A rare occasion where Dubya catches himself about to go off on a tangent, and stops, Arlington, Virginia, Mar. 9, 2004

We can compete with anybody -- at least, I think so.
-- Well, as long as Dubya thinks so... Washington, D.C., Mar. 16, 2004

Congress wouldn't act, so I signed an executive order -- that means I did it on my own. It says we're going to open up billions of dollars in grant money competition to faith-based charities.
-- In case you missed it, you just witnessed Dubya indicate that he knows better than Congress what to do with billions of dollars, Los Angeles, California, Mar. 3, 2004

One of the most meaningful things that's happened to me since I've been the governor -- the President -- governor -- President. Oops. Ex-governor. I went to Bethesda Naval Hospital to give a fellow a Purple Heart, and at the same moment I watched him -- get a Purple Heart for action in Iraq -- and at that same -- right after I gave him the Purple Heart, he was sworn in as a citizen of the United States -- a Mexican citizen, now a United States citizen.
-- Wow, Jan. 9, 2004

The world is more peaceful and more free under my leadership.
-- Dubya, President of the World, White House, Oct. 28, 2003

I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are ... probably read the news themselves.
-- How reassuring, Dubya's interview with Brit Hume on Fox News Channel, Washington, D.C., Sep. 21, 2003

I think it's interesting. I'm a follower of American politics.
-- Dubya's reponse when asked about Arnold Schwarzenegger running for governor of California, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 8, 2003

I'm the master of low expectations.
-- You said it, Dubya, aboard Air Force One, Jun. 4, 2003

I said you were a man of peace. I want you to know I took immense crap for that.
-- Dubya really classing up his conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, as reported on Jun. 3, 2003 in the Washington Post and elsewhere

I was the guy that said they [the U.N.] ought to vote. And one country voted -- at least showed their cards, I believe. It's an old Texas expression, show your cards, when you're playing poker. France showed their cards.
-- Dubya again claiming Texan sovereignty over a common expression, Lajes, Azores, Mar. 16, 2003

DUBYA: I'll answer some questions.
REPORTER: I have one question for President Bush, and a second question for President Havel. President Bush, you have said some lofty words here. The Czech Republic...
DUBYA: I said some what?
REPORTER: Lofty words.
DUBYA: No one has ever accused me of being a poet before, but thank you.
-- Nobody's accusing you of being a poet here, either, Dubya, Prague, Czech Republic, Nov. 20, 2002

I know something about being a government. And you've got a good one.
-- Bentonville, Arkansas, Nov. 4, 2002

I know something about being a governor, and I know what it takes to get elected.
-- Write your own joke. Manchester, New Hampshire, Oct. 5, 2002

And I appreciate so very much the honorary degree you're conferring upon me today. I'm delighted that George Steinbrenner is receiving one as well. I guess we're both being honored as legends of baseball -- legends, at least, in our own minds.
-- This is a classic Dubya maneuver: comparing himself to someone important to enhance his own stature, then finishing the job with a backhanded compliment to that famous person, Ohio State University commencement address, June 14, 2002

That's what happens when you are over 55.
-- Explaining his inability to remember all three parts of a three-part question, and also apparently forgetting that he is still 55 years old, while his counterpart Jacques Chirac (who looked understandably quizzical upon hearing the remark) is 70, press conference with French President Jacques Chirac, Paris, France, May 26, 2002

I'm so honored that people came down from Tallahassee to say hello to Jeb's little -- big brother.
-- By which he means himself, Daytona Beach, Florida, Jan. 30, 2002

But as I said, if he was mistreated because of his ethnicity, I'm going to be plenty hot. That means angry.
-- Dubya offers real-time Cliff's Notes for his speech patterns, meeting with Alan Greenspan, Jan. 7, 2002

There are a couple of cows waiting for me. You know, when I first got back from Washington, it seemed like the cows were talking back. But now that I've spent some time in Crawford, they're just cows.
-- Revealing disturbing facts about his brain chemistry in Town Hall Forum on Economy, Ontario, California, Jan. 5, 2002

My friends allege that I showed up in a Nixon mask one year and that another time I dressed as Mahatma Gandhi in a toga that looked like a diaper by the end of the night.
-- Giving Americans a reason to elect him president in his 2000 autobiography "A Charge to Keep", p. 135 (His not being able to remember these incidents should have raised more flags than it did)

But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me.
-- A fabulous year despite deadliest terrorist attacks in American history; makes one wonder what would constitute a bad year, Dec. 21, 2001

You're the kind of guy I like to have in a foxhole with me.
-- Interesting comment made to Russian President Putin, White House, Nov. 13, 2001

REPORTER: Mr. President, have you been tested for anthrax?
DUBYA: I don't have anthrax.
REPORTER: So you've been tested, sir?
DUBYA: I don't have it.
-- Dubya demonstrating how not to answer a question, Oct. 23, 2001

One of the interesting things to do is drink coffee and watch Barney chase armadillos. The armadillos are out, and they love to root in our flower bed. It's good that Barney routs them out of their rooting.
-- Describing his Texas ranch life to Judy Keen, USA Today, Aug. 22, 2001

I realize that on July 4, you had the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. I recognize I don't look quite as pretty -- but I am from Texas.
-- Statement hopefully not meant as a come-on, to U.S. troops at Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo, July 24, 2001

It was amazing I won. I was running against peace and prosperity and incumbency.
-- Shockingly candid assessment of what he didn't bring to the table in the 2000 election made to Swedish Prime Minister Goran Persson, Gothenberg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

I've coined new words, like, "misunderstanding" and "Hispanically".
-- Radio-Television Correspondents Association dinner, Washington, D.C., Mar. 29, 2001

They misunderestimated me.
-- Bentonville, Arkansas, Nov. 6, 2000

I come from a different generation from my Dad.
-- It would have been kind of tricky otherwise, Apr. 27, 2000

Turn that thing off! Turn it off!
-- "Easygoing" Dubya barking orders at friends who are watching a Saturday Night Live spoof of him, Dec. 2, 2000

Listen, I'm just as shocked as you are that I'm sitting here talking about the presidency.
-- Interview with Jim Lehrer, News Hour with Jim Lehrer, Apr. 27, 2000

I'd probably say foolish things.
-- When asked what would happen if he took a drink today, apparently without any intended sarcasm, The Washington Post, July 25, 1999

Do as I say and not as I did.
-- When governor of Texas, Dubya proposed a $9 million initiative to persuade young Texans to hold off on sex until marriage. This was Dubya's answer when asked whether he had abstained from pre-marital sex

I killed a killdee. ...I thought it was a dove.
-- "Killdee" is the colloquial form of "killdeer", a bird listed as a protected species that Dubya shot with a borrowed 20-gauge shotgun on the opening day of dove season, for which Dubya received a misdemeanor fine of $130, Houston Chronicle, Sep. 2, 1994

One's dead and one's alive.
-- Dubya's answer when asked to explain the difference between a killdee and a killdeer, Houston Chronicle, Sep. 2, 1994

I want the folks to see me sitting in the same kind of seat they sit in, eating the same popcorn, peeing in the same urinal.
-- Explaining his choice to sit "among the fans" when involved in management of the Texas Rangers, interview with Time Magazine, 1989

You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office.
-- Dubya in 1989

I shared a story the other day during a press conference where I talked about a dinner I had with Prime Minister Koizumi of Japan. And we're eating Kobe beef. I don't know whether it's grown here in Minnesota or not, but it's real good.
-- Ummm, no it's called Kobe beef because it comes from Kobe, Japan. Minneapolis, Minnesota, Apr. 26, 2004

Secretary of State Powell and Secretary of State Rumsfeld, and a number of NATO defense and foreign ministers are exploring a more formal role for NATO.
-- Oops. Prime Time Press Conference #3, White House, Apr. 13, 2004

We've had a great weekend here in the Land of the Enchanted.
-- Dubya expressing his appreciation (and detailed knowledge of) the "Land of Enchantment" -- New Mexico, Albuquerque, New Mexico, May 12, 2003

The law I sign today directs new funds and new focus to the task of collecting vital intelligence on terrorist threats and on weapons of mass production.
-- At the signing of the September 11th Commission Bill, Washington, D.C., Nov. 27, 2002

I'm thrilled to be here in the breadbasket of America.
-- Ah yes, the sprawling wheatfields of California, Stockton, California, Aug. 23, 2002

Of course, I like to remind people that Washington is full of all kinds of numbers crunchers. They talk about this number here, and that number there.
-- Birmingham, Alabama, July 15, 2002

Get me Pootie-Poot on the phone!
-- Dubya's way of requesting a telephone conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin, as reported in May 27, 2002 issue of Time

And so, in my State of the -- my State of the Union -- or state -- my speech to the -- nation, whatever you wanna call it, speech to the nation -- I asked Americans to give 4,000 years -- 4,000 hours over the next -- of the rest of your life -- of service to America. That's what I asked. I said 2 -- 4,000 hours.
-- The medicine seems to be wearing off, Bridgeport, Connecticut, Apr. 9, 2002

I appreciate Lieutenant Governor Judi Kell for being here. Great to see you again, Judi.
-- Genuine expression of appreciation (?) offered to Connecticut's Lieutenant Governor - Jodi Rell, Bridgeport, Connecticut, Apr. 9, 2002

For those of you out there who are interested in participating, I want you to call up this number, 1-800-USA-CORPS, or to dial up on the Internet, www.citizencorps.gov.
-- The correct phone number is 1-877-USA-CORPS (the one Dubya mentioned is the toll-free number for AppleOne Employment Services Inc. of Glendale, California), Knoxville, Tennessee, Apr. 8, 2002

We're in for a long struggle, and I think Texans understand that. And so do Americans.
-- Texans and Americans are apparently completely separate entities, El Paso, Texas, Mar. 21, 2002

Let me see if I can put this into English, or Texan.
-- I think we'd settle with "intelligible", remarks at Albers Manufacturing, O'Fallon, Missouri, Mar. 18, 2002

Neither in French nor in English nor in Mexican.
-- Dubya's way of declining to answer reporters' questions at the Summit of the Americas, Québec City, Canada, Apr. 21, 2001

This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation. It's what you do when you run for president. You gotta preserve.
-- Speaking during Perseverance Month at Fairgrounds Elementary School in Nashua, N.H. As quoted in the Los Angeles Times, Jan. 28, 2000

And I call upon the Iraqi people to reject violence, band together to insist that the country move toward a peaceful tomorrow. Iraq is changing for the better. I mean, look at the soccer team.
-- Yes, he's actually pointing to the success of the Iraqi national soccer team as progress in Iraq, Washington, D.C., May 20, 2004

Because we acted, torture chambers are closed.
-- Only to open again... Prairie Du Chien, Wisconsin, May 7, 2004

Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to destabilize their country.
-- Said without any hint of irony, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004

Because we acted, torture chambers are closed.
-- Only to open again... Prairie Du Chien, Wisconsin, May 7, 2004

Iraqis are sick of foreign people coming in their country and trying to destabilize their country.
-- Said without any hint of irony, Washington, D.C., May 5, 2004

Marching for war doesn't instill a lot of confidence in the future.
-- I hear that, Dubya, Washington, D.C., Feb. 19, 2004

More Muslims have died at the hands of killers than -- I say more Muslims -- a lot of Muslims have died -- I don't know the exact count -- at Istanbul. Look at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous death and destruction because killers kill.
-- Yes, he's absolutely right: killers do kill, Washington, D.C., Feb. 18, 2004

What the country needs is a leader who speaks clearly.
-- Dubya inadvertently talks himself out of a job, Kalamazoo, Michigan, May 3, 2004

Probably the best reason to put me back in there is so that Laura has got four more years as the First Lady.
-- You said it Dubya, not me, Prairie Du Chien, Wisconsin, May 7, 2004

See, one of the interesting things in the Oval Office -- I love to bring people into the Oval Office -- right around the corner from here -- and say, this is where I office.
-- Dubya "officing" in the White House, Washington, D.C., Feb. 18, 2004

I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with war on my mind.
-- Ain't that the truth? On NBC's "Meet the Press", Feb. 8, 2004

It's not a dictatorship in Washington, but I tried to make it one in that instance.
-- Chilling way to describe his executive order making faith-based groups eligible for federal subsidies, New Orleans, Louisiana, Jan. 15, 2004

You said we're headed to war in Iraq -- I don't know why you say that. I hope we're not headed to war in Iraq. I'm the person who gets to decide, not you.
-- Discounting the roles of Congress and an inquisitive press in order to look tough in front of a reporter (and avoid answering the question), Crawford, Texas, Dec. 31, 2002

I want to thank all my citizens for coming.
-- Lord Dubya thanks his loyal subjects, Northern State University, Aberdeen, South Dakota, Oct. 31, 2002

I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well.
-- Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001

We're concerned about AIDS inside our White House -- make no mistake about it.
-- Washington, D.C., Feb. 7, 2001

If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier... just so long as I'm the dictator.
-- During his first trip to Washington as President-Elect, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2000

If I'm the president, we're going to have emergency-room care, we're going to have gag orders.
-- Candidate George W. Bush

I'm a decisive person.... I'll read. I won't read treatises. I'll read summaries.
-- Explaining his notion of "Cliff's Notes" leadership to the National Journal, 1999

HILLER: "Can you name the president of Chechnya?"
DUBYA: "No, can you?"
HILLER: "Can you name the president of Taiwan?"
DUBYA: "Yeah, Lee."
HILLER: "Can you name the general who is in charge of Pakistan?"
DUBYA: "Wait, wait, is this 50 questions?"
HILLER: "No, it's four questions of four leaders in four hot spots."
DUBYA: "The new Pakistani general, he's just been elected, not elected, this guy took over office. It appears this guy is going to bring stability to the country and I think that's good news for the sub-continent."
HILLER: "Can you name him?"
DUBYA: "General. I can't name the general. General."
HILLER: "And the prime minister of India?"
DUBYA: "The new prime minister of India is - (pause) No."
Then Bush hit back.
DUBYA: "Can you name the foreign minister of Mexico?"
HILLER: "No sir, but I would say to that, I'm not running for President."
-- Showing his extensive knowledge of world politics and capacity to accept criticism, or not, when questioned by Andy Hiller, political correspondent for WHDH-TV, Nov. 3, 1999

[John Kerry is] up to $1.9 trillion so far, of new promises. And we got a long way to go in the campaign. Pretty easy to stand up in front of people and say, well, I promise you this, and I'll spend that, and then it begins to mount up after a while. So the question is, how is he going to pay for it?
-- Comment made against the backdrop of the $7.1 trillion national debt, $1.4 trillion of which has accrued on his watch, Prairie Du Chien, Wisconsin, May 7, 2004

He's going to tax all of you.
-- Dubya on John Kerry, sounding pretty silly unless Dubya is planning to unilaterally outlaw all taxes, Washington, D.C., Mar. 23, 2004

See, free nations do not develop weapons of mass destruction.
-- I wonder if Dubya is going to try and rewrite the history of the 20th century to agree with this statement, Washington, D.C., Oct. 8, 2003

History has called the United States into action, and we will not let history down.
-- Apparently we owe history a war, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Jan. 29, 2003

I don't believe we can afford to have a League of Nations again.
-- The irony of this statement is that the League of Nations failed in part because the U.S. refused to join (respect) it. I guess history does repeat, after all. Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2002

You know, I don't think there's ever going to be an end to evil.
-- Stating the obvious with conviction, Barbara Walters interview, Dec. 4, 2001

And my personal favorite...

FINK: When you're talking about politics, what do you and [your father] talk about?
DUBYA: Pussy.
-- Interview with David Fink of the Hartford Courant at the Republican Convention, 1988

That does it... I'm moving to Canada.

Chestnuts roasted by Left-wing Nutjob @ 06/27/2004 06:09 PM EST

Okay. Very brief and to the point.

Chestnuts roasted by Fraggot @ 06/27/2004 06:45 PM EST

Left-wing Nutjob-I go to school in Canada! Good luck getting a job there as an American.

Chestnuts roasted by Nate @ 06/27/2004 07:25 PM EST

Nate - This is where I'd insert some cliched remark about working as a Zamboni operator or possibly in a Canadian beer factory, but I'll spare you and all the other readers the agony.

I offer up no argument either way in American politics - I'm one person, one opinion, and with a name like "Left-wing Nutjob", you all probably know where'd I'd stand. I was just simply letting Mr. Bush speak for himself, in his own words.

We don't need our President to be a genius. Obviously, he doesn't even need to be very smart. He does however, need to be accountable. I for one, as one person (and with one opinion that 50% of you think is dead wrong according to recent polls), hope we hold him accountable this November.

Chestnuts roasted by Left-wing Nutjob @ 06/27/2004 08:13 PM EST

All the Labatt's Blue you can drink, eh?

Chestnuts roasted by Fraggot @ 06/27/2004 08:29 PM EST

Whatever that bear on TV shills for, is what I'd drink. I think that's the stuff.

"... I'll tell you something else; their beer sucks too." --John Candy, Candian Bacon (yet another Moore film - what a segue!)

Chestnuts roasted by Left-wing Nutjob @ 06/27/2004 08:32 PM EST

Yes, I realize I spelled Canadian wrong. I hope our friends to the North forgive easily.

Chestnuts roasted by Left-wing Nutjob @ 06/27/2004 08:33 PM EST

I think that when he referred to California as the nation's largest state in that one quote, he was referring to population and not physical land mass.

Chestnuts roasted by Mr. Choplogic @ 06/27/2004 11:08 PM EST

I liked "Bowling for Columbine" alright, and as a libral minded Canadian, I love anything that makes the Bush administration look like asleep-at-the-wheel idiots, so I'll probably see "F. 9/11" eventually.

Off topic, but I don't care. Bradshaw's the new WWE Champion. FUCKING BRADSHAW!!! Lord, save me! Oh, and Paul Bearer's been murdered. Pity he never got to meet his grandchild, Lita Jr.

Now go review...something.

Chestnuts roasted by A-wel Cruiz @ 06/28/2004 12:02 AM EST

You are right "another Matt" What give Matt the right to post stuff like this on the site. It is like he think he owns the site......

oh wait never mine

Chestnuts roasted by JoseRZ @ 06/28/2004 12:33 AM EST

Steve said "The only other thing that I want to say if there are so many people who don't want Bush in office, but don't want Kerry either, why not vote for a third party candidate?"

I can't speak for those people entirely, but I know people that voted for Nader in the last election only to regret it now. The way third parties work, unfortunately, is that they usually make or break a close election. I.e., Nader took votes away from Gore, so it was kind of like voting for Bush, if you believe that sort of idea. It sucks because American elections are supposed to give a chance to whatever party, but now it seems to be strictly bipartisan. Yuck.

Anyway, I agree with whoever said that the black part in the beginning was unexpected. I also liked it because we've all seen the 9/11 footage soooo many times but none of us have ever really just heard the noises...I started crying at that part. I also liked the beginning where he was showing all the cabinet members and politicians having their makeup put on. He's a good filmmaker.

Chestnuts roasted by Emmaaaaa @ 06/28/2004 01:34 AM EST

America has killed too many civilians in its wars.

Chestnuts roasted by dfnjh @ 06/28/2004 03:23 AM EST

hi matt, and thanks for ruining this site for me. this will be the last time I am visiting.

this site was fun and entertaining and I have got more enjoyment out of it than I can tell you, but now you had to go and announce to everyone you think what you think about Bush and side with Michael Moore.

well luckily in America you can do as you wish, and this is your site so feel free to do whatever you want with it, but I for one will NEVER return here. Also, I used to pass out links to this site like candy to friends and co-workers to share in the fun, but I will no longer do so.

I know that you probably don't care, and so be it. But you lost a fan and a reader today - why couldn't you just have left out your political viewpoint here at funland?

I am a die-hard republican and I can not support someone who is spreading Michael Moore's propaganda. Like I said it is your site, not knocking it, just know that I will not be back.

Chestnuts roasted by no longer a fan @ 06/28/2004 04:06 AM EST

I wouldn't tell you to stop reading the site for having a different opinion. If you feel differently, what can I say?

And, if you're reading that "review" and finding much of it politically charged, I think you're looking a bit too hard. I have about as much conviction as a rusty old sock. In fact, I'm not sure I drew any loyalty lines in the review. Saying Bush came off like a buffoon isn't exactly a risky step when the movie's full of so many Bush-stutter clips.

In closing!

I spoke of how the movie affected me and how I *think* it'll affect others, in insanely basic terms. Maybe this wasn't the right forum to talk about anything political, but God damn, at the end of the day it's still a movie.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/28/2004 07:42 AM EST

they arent playing the movie in my town, it sucks.
speaking of spader man, check out
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Chestnuts roasted by zombone @ 06/28/2004 09:55 AM EST

oh yeah, I am never coming to this web site again. You said somthing that I dont agree with, and I dont agree with that. i kid. and mock.

Chestnuts roasted by zombone @ 06/28/2004 09:59 AM EST

For the record Matt. I've been a long time reader of X-E (basically since it started), and I'm not offended in the least by any political viewpoints being placed on the site. I personally think that your "review" was very unbiased, and left it up to people to watch the movie themselves and make a decision.
Besides, you could admit to eating babies, and I'd still read your articles, because they're funny and break up the monotany at my job. =)

Chestnuts roasted by BaronVonHotPants @ 06/28/2004 01:46 PM EST

Thanks. I wouldn't even classify it as a review, that's what gets me. It's almost completely sterile. If I talked about the film the way I do with friends away from the keyboard, I could see more justification in Nameless Soldier #121: Could Be a Troll's feelings.

Anyway, I'm still down with the kickass old lady from the movie. We've been giggling about her all weekend.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/28/2004 01:55 PM EST

I liked the film. but i'm a bleeding heart liberal lefty. I thought the best part was the actual Sept. 11 footage and audio, it was utterly heartbreaking and beatufiully executed and had the entire audience in tears.

Also the old lady was totally awesome, and yes matt, everyone applauded her speech, along with the soldiers comment about Rummy.

Chestnuts roasted by Julia Badtouch @ 06/28/2004 02:02 PM EST

i second that..work is boring..x-e help.

Chestnuts roasted by zombone @ 06/28/2004 02:03 PM EST

Matt - my feelings about the movie exactly. There were a few moments to nitpick over, but the film's overall message was just a knockout. The theatre crowd went nuts at the end; it was like someone had distilled the emotions we've felt in the past three years into a two hour bottle and then forced us to chug it all. I felt like punching people right in their heads, and that is a powerful feeling.
And, by the way, congratulations: you don't want readers like "No longer a fan." He is - and this is just my amateur diagnosis - a screwball.

Chestnuts roasted by Master H @ 06/28/2004 03:25 PM EST

Matt,

I'm a longtime reader (and a conservative blogger), and though I'm consistently repulsed by Michael Moore's work (a very talented propagandist - but nothing more than a propagandist. The accusations he makes are consistently without basis in reality. My problem with him isn't that he's biased. It's fine that he's one-sided - the problem is that he doesn't want to acknowledge that the other side exists - that there are legitimate arguments to be made for everything that he's against, etc.), I'll still be hanging out at X-E. Where else can I get my 80s fix? When I stray into childhood reminiscing on my blog, the conversations tend to take the form of either either my Karate Kid 20th anniversary petition (over 2,700 signatures!), or X-E. Thanks for working so hard at having fun. The site rocks.

This, even though the Peanut Butter Boppers commercial link STILL doesn't work.

Chestnuts roasted by Jared @ 06/28/2004 03:28 PM EST

Jared: thanks for having an opinion and not pointing a gun at those who don't share it.

Oh, for what it's worth -- I don't agree with all of the tactics used in the movie. It made a few general messages I agreed with seem less legitimate. It would be somewhat hypocritical to want that message conveyed "at any cost."

I'll fix that PB link right now.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/28/2004 03:32 PM EST

That's what I'm talking about.

Just got the Nintendo back up and running, Jello Pudding Pops are back, and now, the PBB commercial will be viewable. Life is sweet.

Rock on, my friend.

Now, I've just got to get my "Muppet Family Christmas" tape (from 1987) put on DVD (complete with all of the 1987 commercials, no less!), and things will really start humming.

Chestnuts roasted by Jared @ 06/28/2004 03:44 PM EST

First time poster.

Poor "no longer a fan"... That's what I like about the philosophy of "if you're not with us you're evil": no need to think on your own, just let someone else do the thinking! I've read enough comments all over the web from people calling Moore's film a bucket of lies, but admit to never have seen the movie...

Yes, Michael Moore is biased. And Al Franken is biased. Well, so are Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter and co. It's childish and petty from both sides, left or right, but that's how the media game is played. Present the extremes, exaggerate, scream bloody murder when someone disaggrees with you.

Fortunately, most people have more than 2 brain cells and can make up their own minds about things.

By the way, phunqsauce, Stupid White Men was a book, not a movie.

Congrats Matt on a fairly non-political review! I got my first taste of your site via the Test Pattern blog, and really got hooked when I stumbled upon the Nathan Bitner saga.

Maybe you should review the results of today's federal elections in Canada. I am curious myself as to what kind of country I will wake up to in the morning.

Matt, come north of the border, we'll introduce you to heaven on earth: Coffee Crisp chocolate bars! Think about it: it's chocolate, with coffee in it! I mean, how can life get any better than this???

Chestnuts roasted by Yzziefrog @ 06/28/2004 05:27 PM EST

Michael Moore is the king of deceipt and distortion.

Oh yeah... and making money off American tragedies.

Chestnuts roasted by Joey @ 06/28/2004 05:43 PM EST

Did anyone catch Moore on Stern last week? Missed it. My hunch is that it didn't go quite as well as Howard would've wanted, because all mentions of F9/11 since have seemed a bit more forced both out of advertising duties and the fact that he couldn't go back even slightly on what he'd been peddling for a month. Just curious to hear how it went.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/28/2004 05:46 PM EST

$9.25 for a movie? You have it easy... it's $10.35 in Toronto ($13.95 cdn).

I remember paying $5 for a double feature. I remember sitting through A Christmas Story in order to see something else afterwards. Can't remember what it was, but I hated Christmas Story. Funny, because now I think it's hilarious.

I'm just too old for this stuff. (she says, cradling adoringly her Shrek 2 and Harry potter 3 ticket stubs).

Chestnuts roasted by Yzziefrog @ 06/28/2004 06:07 PM EST

You hated A Christmas Story? I didn't know it was possible for anyone to hate A Christmas Story. You have shattered beliefs. Now we're really gonna get political.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/28/2004 06:08 PM EST

Now I am no fan of Michael Moore's, but I think you have to approach this in the most neutral point of view, if he is presenting information without knowing all the facts, then he is just ignorant and will be found out shortly, and if he presents his story willfully omitting facts he knew, then he is a liar and has only his conscience to deal with...however as a filmmaker and a documentarian his first jobs are to educate and entertain and empower, I haven't seen the movie but from what I hear he has made people passionate about learning the truth, however they learn it, he has done his job.

By the way, the way I view Michael Moore? Well you have to be a Simpsons fan to get the reference but once Homer was accused of grabbing the babysitters ass, he was shown on a "Hard Copy" type show and the interviewer was asking questins to a paused tape recorded interview with homer, accusing him of things knowing the videotaped Homer couldn't respond and then they zoomed in on the paused screen and the host said, "No, Mr. Simpson don't attack me!" Thats basically how Moore operates...

If you can understand that above statement you're a better man than me...

Chestnuts roasted by whitemale_98/competent soldier @ 06/28/2004 06:25 PM EST

I'm not totally against Moore or some of his views, but the problem is what a liar he is. Seriously, one minute he advertises himself as some sort of Man Of Truth but when his lies are pointed out he suddenly falls back on his satirist card as some sort of excuse for said lies.

Say what you want about Bush, but Kerry looks like a total tool himself. Bush is one lucky SOB to be running against that lameass.

Clearly Bush is trying to police the world, and yet on the other side he won't even secure our borders because he wants the cheap labor to poor in for big business -- screw security for the buck in other words. I'm at least glad to hear that Fahrenheit addresses that, as it is a major issue that shows Bush's motives are clearly not American safety and security. Asshole can start wars but not even bother to try and have decent security at home.

Chestnuts roasted by Ted @ 06/28/2004 06:47 PM EST

"think for yourself, question autority" tim leary.

Chestnuts roasted by zombone @ 06/28/2004 07:37 PM EST

I disagree with your opinion, but I would never stop coming to your site unless you decided to turn it into a political site and since the last two blogs have been Ninja Turtles and Waynes World I don't see that happening.

Chestnuts roasted by Jason @ 06/28/2004 10:40 PM EST

Uhh... in regards to Michael Moore... think of something nice to say... parts of Canadian Bacon are actually pretty good, like the scene where John Candy as the police officer makes them add French-language graffiti to their vandalized truck and the candy stripers that make your long, long wait to get treatment in Canada's health care system as pleasant as possible.

And some of his TV Nation bits were fairly politically even-handed, though the Democrats were in power back then.

That's all you'll get from me.

Chestnuts roasted by Steve Brandon @ 06/29/2004 02:37 AM EST

Of course I hated a Christmas Story, I was 11 at the time and it was badly dubbed in French. Plus, I didn't go to see it, I really wanted to see the other movie playing after.

Now that I've seen the original version I think it's realy good, especially the part about sticking his tongue on a metal pole (it's a thing all Canadians can relate to).

Now, since he so wanted to have the BB gun, maybe it should now play in a double feature with Bowling for Columbine?

Michael Moore vs. the Billingsley kid. Now, that's something I'd like to see.

Chestnuts roasted by Yzziefrog @ 06/29/2004 08:38 AM EST

matt:

i caught michael moore on stern last week. it went very well. i have been listening to stern for years now. he is a very big supporter of michael moore's film and is doing his best to promote it. did u keep u'r ticket stub? he is trying to work in a promotional deal where u can go to scores. sounds like that can work. they are trying to figure out how they can do that though.

moore discussed a lot of issues on stern. he wasn't on all that long either. he discussed the euro disney and the ties that the bush family has with the bin laden's. a lot of what went on in the movie he just spoke about.

he just did a commercial spot for howard right now.

i loved this movie!!! honestly it was brilliant. the crowd cheered at the end of this film. it will influence the election.

Chestnuts roasted by jessica @ 06/29/2004 08:58 AM EST

How can anyone be Republican in this day and age? I do not understand it. What do they think they are standing up for? What are they promoting? American Pride? Nope, because liberals have American pride. Blind Faith in the current Government? Yep. Paranoia and racism? Yep. Total disregard for the environment? Yep. Nice job, republicans. Nice job.

Chestnuts roasted by Chris @ 06/29/2004 10:39 AM EST

My last politically-related X-E post (because I blog all day about this stuff, and like to come here for a break):

Be careful throwing down the racism card with regard to Republicans, Chris. That's an awful broad brush with which you're painting. It's low, and it's baseless. No one can (accurately) accuse me of that crap, and I, for one, am sick of the reflexive tossing about of the term. You can say whatever the heck you want to, but you'd better be able to back it up with more than superfluous hyberbole before you say vent your spleen like that, boy-o. I hate racism. It is an evil thing, plain and simple. Disagreement with you, does not a racist make. Know that.

Sorry for the harshness, all. I'm done being political. I take that "racist" crap seriously. All else I can chalk up to simple disagreement - no matter how vitriolic. Beg your pardon.

Chestnuts roasted by Jared @ 06/29/2004 11:16 AM EST

Jared - Kinda like how some Republicans throw the Communist, Socialist, or Commie-Pinko Hippie card at any Democrat in sight, eh?

Of course no one (should) condone racism. And of course not all Republicans are racist, and of course not all Democrats are Socialists. It is a rather established fact, however, that most Republicans in power (currently) are the friend of big business, and most Democrats are the friend of the everyman. That's where the conversation should have stayed; it veering off-topic ito labels is unfortunate.

It's all semantics, anyway. Whomever wins in November is just going to royally piss-off 50% of the country. I think it's gonna come to a head and quite possibly change the face of American politics forever.

Chestnuts roasted by Left-wing Nutjob @ 06/29/2004 12:27 PM EST

"All of us here at X-E disagree on a lot of things, but there is one the we all agree on: Pudding Pops Rule!"

this was an uncalled for endorsement

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 06/29/2004 01:01 PM EST

Hehe, that simpson's episode ruled. "Sweet, Sweet, Candy"

Chestnuts roasted by Eric K @ 06/29/2004 02:05 PM EST

Sorry. Done being political. We can agree to disagree.

I second the Pudding Pops comment. Now where's my Chewy Chalk?!!

Chestnuts roasted by Jared @ 06/29/2004 03:17 PM EST

For those of you bashing the fact that Fox news is conservative, you are correct. They intended for it to be that way. Because the majority of the media tends to be on the liberal side, Fox saw that they could carve their own niche by presenting news with a conservative view.

The majority of hollywood has always been very liberal, and will continue to be so for the forseen future. That is the only way that a movie like f9/11 would have been made. If anyone tried to make the same sort of film against Kerry they would be run out of Hollywood. (Even though there are more than enough facts that could be used in such a film)

The thing that annoys me most is the fact that this movie will probably be the biggest deciding point in this years election. It can be statistically shown that the majority of democrats have less education and come from the lower to middle class backgrounds. While the majority of republicans are from middle class up and have more education. Since the majority of the moviegoing public is in the lower to middle class segment it is likely that they can be more easily influenced by a film such as this. If this movie had been simply left to a book, magazine article, or newspaper article it would have much less effect on the outcome of the election.

Chestnuts roasted by Beerstalker @ 06/29/2004 03:39 PM EST

Jared-
Sorry about the broad brush. You are 100% right, but sometimes this discussion brings out some brash reactions, and usually they are based on some personal crap. So I apologize.
I love Nutjob's last paragraph. Well put. This site is the only break alot of us have, but this was kind of fun to see where alot of heads are at, y'know?
But I cannot ignore the cloaked political overtones of "The Chia Plot": there is a certain blatant bias.....

Chestnuts roasted by Chris @ 06/29/2004 04:25 PM EST

I'm surprised so many lurkers around these parts seem to be so educated...well, at least, much more educated than me on the issues. Lots of interesting counterpoints. I still prefer Pudding Pop debates, so we'll stick to that in the future. Vote Cosby.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/29/2004 04:36 PM EST

Chris,

Believe me, as a pseudo-pundit, I know for a fact that, at times, I've strayed over the line, myself. It happens. Apology accepted. Sorry if I came off harsh, as well.

The bottom line (and we shouldn't forget this) is this: we may disagree about the means needed to get there, but we all have the best in mind for this nation, and for each other. Neither your political opposite (nor mine) is a firey hellbeast, intent on destroying you (or me). Assume the best - prepare for the worst. Applies everywhere - including any assessment of your debate opponents.

Vote Cosby, huh? Hmmmm...

Back to the good stuff, now.

Chestnuts roasted by Chris @ 06/29/2004 04:52 PM EST

That last one was a comment from me - Jared - of course. Apparently, I've got some sort of identity dyslexia...

Chestnuts roasted by Jared @ 06/29/2004 05:23 PM EST

I was wondering what happened there, ChrisJared.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/29/2004 05:25 PM EST

"The majority of hollywood has always been very liberal, and will continue to be so for the forseen future."

I disagreee with this statement. Hollywood has been hypocritical regarding liberal & conservative issues for most of its existence: While the filmakers themselves live out and wish a liberal lifestyle for themselves, they present conservative values for the general public in their movies. Or, at least they try to. And ultimately fail.

Hollywood (as an industry, not as a bunch of individuals) is a big business, and can only remain so by being conservative. Hollywood ultimately supports a conservative government and public, to support their own private liberal lives.

Like Moore says, it's only because his movie will make money, that he was allowed to make it. I haven't seen it, and ultimately will, but it will not influence my vote at all. Closed minded conservatives will not see it. Liberals will not benefit for it. It is only likely to influence a few fringe dwellers (few is a relative number, though, Triumph Of The Will, was ultimately very influential in the many years of being shown in Europe). But even if it helps to keep Bush out of the White House, it cannot guarantee another Conservative's Bitch from getting in.

Anyway, enough of that, and bring on the tainted Hi-C!!!

Chestnuts roasted by herman the german @ 06/29/2004 07:50 PM EST

I was under the impression by seeing the trailor that the movie isn't even about 911. Stupid.

Chestnuts roasted by Tenacious Tate @ 06/29/2004 08:42 PM EST

Long-tim reader, first time viewer.

I know a lot of people will probably give me all sorts of weird looks, but I personally can't stand Big Mike. To me, he's a smug, self-righteous sack of dookie who demands everyone to take whatever he says as absolute gospel, no matter how fraudulent, decietful, or completely freakin' ridiculous it may be. Anyone, be he liberal or conservative, who thinks that his opinion is the only one that matters in all the world is deserving of a hearty beatdown.

That said, I'm still going to be reading this site for quite some time. It's always a fun read, and I always come away with a new appreciation for my old childhood favorites.

One question remains, though... whither the next "Chia Plot" episode?

Chestnuts roasted by ZK @ 06/29/2004 08:52 PM EST

Beerstalker :
"It can be statistically shown that the majority of democrats have less education and come from the lower to middle class backgrounds. While the majority of republicans are from middle class up and have more education."

I could say how many incredible assumptions are in that statement, but it does not seem like you would be willing to dialogue about them anyway, so I will just leave you to your stone wall assumptions.

Also, no one clapped when tyhe old lady finished her speech but everyone did clap when Michael Moore commandeered the ice cream truck to read the Patriot Act and when he went around asking congressman and senators to help sign their children up for the war.

Chestnuts roasted by Nexus Android Six @ 06/29/2004 11:01 PM EST

In regards to Moore asking Congressmen to sign their kids up...

Rep. Mark Kennedy (R,MN) is shown in the film being talked to by Mr. Moore. According to Rep. Kennedy, he responded that his nephew is on his way to Afghanistan, and he has a son who wants to be in the service when he's old enough. Naturally, that was cut out of the finished film, as it didn't suit Moore's allegation that Congressmen and Senators don't want their own children serving. Funny, huh?

Chestnuts roasted by HockeyRube @ 06/30/2004 03:15 AM EST

Nexus, I am not making any assumtions in my comment. It is a simple fact of demographics. I did not say that all democrats are poor idiots, or all republicans are rich genius, it is just a simple fact that the lesser fortunate tend to lean more toward the democratic side. I did not say that this is the way that it should be or, how I would like it to be, it just happens. Or at least that is how it was 7-8 years ago when I was taking courses on politics and government.

I did not mean to offend anyone, and apologize if I did.

Now who wants a puddin pop?

I do, I do, but Walmart didn't have them last night.

Chestnuts roasted by Beerstalker @ 06/30/2004 10:57 AM EST

See Matt? This is why you just avoid talking about anything remotely political. You get swamped with idiots on both sides.

Chestnuts roasted by Magic Flyin Lemur @ 06/30/2004 02:23 PM EST

Eh, it's been mostly friendly fire so far. Thank God I didn't post about abortion.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 06/30/2004 02:28 PM EST

Long time reader, first time poster.

I originally came here when I searched for my beloved Centurions cartoon.

I'm going to go ahead and state that I'm a fairly die-hard Republican (except when it comes to my stance on abortion and gay marriage) and hate Michael Moore with a passion for reasons already explained here.

I was taken aback to see a political topic on here. Even if I were to try and boycott your site, I would eventually be drawn back here because your site is too damned funny.

Unlike many politically active minded people, I respect that there are going to be opinions different from mine, and that there is no set of ideals that will please everyone. I just go with the ones I like the most.

Someone earlier mentioned that there is no unbiased news. I've found that to be true. Seems like most news on the television is left-minded, hell even my local Fox station leans towards the left. My only option if I want to hear the news is listen to news that is biased towards my beliefs. Which pretty much is just talk radio.

So Matt, keep up the good work, If you would like my 2 cents, leave off the political topics. I would like to have at least one place on the web where I can go and not hear about politics for a change and just hear about the long forgotten parts of my childhood.

But, it is your site, do what ever you wish.

Chestnuts roasted by AlbinoTurtle @ 06/30/2004 03:35 PM EST

HockeyRube - Moore explains the error behind that on his website, michaelmoore.com. There was no editing or anything malicious about it.

The entire piece can be read here:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=20

We all make mistakes, even documentary filmmakers.

Chestnuts roasted by Left-wing Nutjob @ 06/30/2004 04:46 PM EST

"We all make mistakes, even documentary filmmakers."

Moore is not one of those. See the wacko attacko page on then watch BOWLING FOR TRUTH

then watch AL GORE make a complete ass of himself repeating Michael Moore-esque lies...

Chestnuts roasted by AL FRANKEN @ 06/30/2004 05:55 PM EST

I wish I could go to one website that was not talking about politics in one shape or another. It gets tiresome. Although your review is one of the better ones out there, Matt, it totally blows the wonderful escapism that this website otherwise provides.
Too many people are not thinking for themselves today, and relying on the media (whether Moore and Franken or Fox News) to tell them what they believe. Both sides are pretty damn corrupt, you have to be corrupt to climb the tree of politics these days. A real decent person cannot succeed in politics. It's a sea of sharks.
We may manage to get rid of Bush, but Kerry will just be another bad can of worms just as Clinton was before Bush. maybe the war situation will get better, but Kerry will tax us back into recession. Kerry is a liar like everyone else in upper-level politics. Hell, his probable running mate, John Edwards , was one of my state's two senators. He is nothing more than a money and power lusting trial lawyer. He did *nothing* for our state while in office, he just used his senatorial office as a stepping stone to more power.
Moore is an ass, he tells lies and lots of others do, too. I'm surprised the republicans don't have a version of Moore- the democrats are no better, there's plenty of fodder in their ranks for movies about corruption, too. Bush bashing is just in fashion now, as Clinton bashing was 5 or 6 years ago.

Chestnuts roasted by Blair @ 07/01/2004 02:23 AM EST

Long time lurker, first time poster.
All right. I'm a lefty-moderate, and I acknowledge the bias and skewing in Moore's movie. I expected it. All you need to see is the look on GWB's face when his aide whispers in his ear in the Florida schoolroom. It's the very definition of dumbstruck panic. It is very clear he has no idea what to do. Tack onto that the countless numbers of tragically funny quotations and incidents from his years as President and Gov, and one thing becomes clear. No matter your position on the Iraq war, no matter your position on foreign labor, no matter your position on gay rights, no matter your position on any issue--the man is an ignorant, bigoted, insensitive, arrogant, misogynistic, inarticulate, ethnocentric rube. And he is our leader. The spokesperson for our country. We are the laughingstock of the world! Forget policy and corruption issues, I just want a president that understands basic grammar and that there is a world outside the Lone Star state! Is that too much to ask?
I have seen televised debates involving Tony Blair and Parliament, and it makes me weep. THAT is exciting government--the PM verbally going toe-to-toe with members of the Houses in open discussion. Could you imagine Bush doing something like that? Never. Watching one of Dubya's press conferences is like watching episodes of Lancelot Link: Secret Chimp, except the chimps are smarter and the lip synching is better.
"Look, America! Cheney and Rumsfeld are drinking glasses of water while Bush speaks! How do they do that?" It's like the beginning of the Simpsons when it looks like Maggie is driving the car, but it turns out to be Marge. Bush has one of those kiddie-steering-wheel-thingies for the country! Meep! Meep!
Republicans, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.

Basically, what I'm saying is, Lancelot Link in 2004!!

Love your site, Matt!

Chestnuts roasted by Brad @ 07/01/2004 05:29 AM EST

Hi, long time reader, first time caller...

i'm a londoner, (no i don't have tea and crumpets although my teeth are fairly bad) and i'm extremely left wing i suppose although i don't exactly like pussy liberals scared of offending everyone - screw em i say - but i often find Americans views on politics a bit odd.

personally i can't believe any free thinking, unselfish, intelligent individual would ever consider supporting Bush. But then, Reagan is a national hero or whatever and the man's administration supported countless Hitlers all round the world.

moore is a prick, but hey: his movies will get made and shown and the extreme leftist viewpoint i have will never be represented like that. kerry doesn't look great, no: but he's the lesser of two evils now. Which is pretty much western democracy in europe too.

to say that "most of the media is liberal" is the most misguided thing ever. the rich control the media and the rich are never going to be all socialist like. they protect their own interests, which is their bank accounts.

oh and CARAMEL CORN RULES! you can't buy it here, so when i had it in Las Vegas 9 years ago it blew my mind. i've had it once since, but it was stale and japanese (?!).

Chestnuts roasted by A different Matt @ 07/01/2004 07:12 AM EST

Thanks for a good post, Brad.

Chestnuts roasted by Chris @ 07/01/2004 09:42 AM EST

Must...resist...urge to become...political, rant...respond harshly to above posts...

Galaga. Galaga. Galaga. Shinobi. Shinobi. Shinobi.

Think cleansing classic arcade thoughts...ahhhhhhh.

Urge to kill fading.

Chestnuts roasted by Jared @ 07/01/2004 11:11 AM EST

Don't know if anybody here watched the BET Awards, but Outkast won for Best Song. During their speech, Andre 3000 mentioned their upcoming HBO movie, and Big Boi said, "Another movie everyone should see is Fahrenheit 9/11!" It got a bigger cheer than I expected from the crowd. Big Boi's already made his feelings pretty clear in the song War:

When will we all, awake up out this dream
Come here and smell the Folgers, the soldiers are human beings
Man actin as if he was the supreme bein
Clockin the souls of men out like he was G-O-D and W-A-R
rah, there'll be no tomorrow but sorrow
and horror will follow the hollow hearts battle for dollars
Politicians, modern day magicians
Physicians of death, more health care for poor health
Who makin us ill, they makin us kill
That's makin me spill my guts (chill Big, lay in the cut)
For what I refuse to sit in the backseat and get handled
Like I do nuttin all day but sit around watch the Cartoon Channel
I rap about, the Presidential election and the scandal
that followed, and we all watched the nation, as it swallowed
and chalked it up, basically America you got FUCKED
The media shucked and jived now we stuck - damn!

Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 07/01/2004 11:23 AM EST

Moore should have gone after Dick Clark again--we can't let that evil bastard get away with his BABY-KILLING.

I missed Moore on the Stern show as well... I was hoping Howard would bring up how fat he is ("Over three hundred pounds... like a giant beach ball." --Ralph Nader) and how he's gotta do something about that.

Chestnuts roasted by jay @ 07/01/2004 08:03 PM EST

Okay I know it's been a while since Jason's post on the 27th but I had to respond to his links.
Glen Beck sells t-shirts on his site that say "Michael Moore is fat" nuff said.

Christopher Hitchens wrote the second article. While Mr. Hitchens is widley considered a liberal he is also a devil's advocate. Take for example his book "Missonary Posititon" in which he investigates Mother Theresa's motivation for the work that she did, where she got her funding, and what she did with that funding.
His reason for writing the book. (which I can admire)Is because he feels that there is a wide spread belief that her motives are unquestionable.
In Mr. Hitchen's article he insinuates that F/911 is full of contradictions but somehow fails to see Moore's larger POV. Which is that Bush lied about why we were going to war. And that he has done a poor job in handling the war.
His tone is bitter and when he mentions that he has produced and written numerous documentaries on such figures as Kissenger and Bill Clinton I get the feeling that he's more jealous of Moore's ability to use pop culture to communicate with the everyday person.
By the way I'm sick of hearing that Moore hates America. He doesn't.

Chestnuts roasted by nutgrrrs @ 07/02/2004 03:46 PM EST

According to Glenn Beck he sells the "Micheal Moore is fat" shirt because Moore's charges are all so ridiculous that he feels its ridiculous to counter them, so instead he offers a shirt with something that is at least factual.
You really have to listen to Mr. Beck's show to understand him. He does deep serious discussion of the issues along with lots of irreverant comedy like you saw on the T-shirt. Lots of people don't get him and you have to listen to his show for a while before you will.

As for Mr. Hitchens, I know nothing about the man so I can't answer that charge and I really don't care. I know what I believe and I'm sticking to it. However you say Mr. Hitchens fails to see Moore's larger point of view. I see Moore's larger point of view. I respect his right to express it and I think he should be able to make all the movies he wants about it. My only problem with him is how he deliberately fabricates and distorts the truth to get his point across. If the film wasn't a propaganda piece that combined fabrication and half truths with the real truth, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Documentaries are supposed to be FACTUAL not opinion pieces.

Chestnuts roasted by Jason @ 07/02/2004 06:54 PM EST

Oh and one more thing, our country was founded on capitalism. That is our system. Mr. Moore is a socialist and basically wants to scrap the system that we have, that our founding fathers fought for and start all over again. To me, that's anti-American.

Chestnuts roasted by Jason @ 07/02/2004 06:58 PM EST

Bush is a loser

Osama is a loser

Saddam is a loser

The world has losers.....now its time for winners

Chestnuts roasted by Billy @ 07/03/2004 12:57 AM EST

"According to Glenn Beck he sells the "Micheal Moore is fat" shirt because Moore's charges are all so ridiculous that he feels its ridiculous to counter them, so instead he offers a shirt with something that is at least factual."

Claiming that you don't need to bother responding to Moore's charges and then resorting to ad hominem attacks is definitely the mature, reasonable and professional way to prove your point. It's also totally deep and serious. And irreverant! Mr. Beck just won himself a convert!

If Moore is profiting from America's tragedies, what is Beck doing? Does using an "anti-American" to make money for yourself make you some kind of Super Patriot?

Chestnuts roasted by squee4242 @ 07/03/2004 01:52 AM EST

Ok, I've had enough. No one is going to have their mind changed and we are making a website that used to be fun, not fun anymore so lets agree to disagree. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with total strangers. I just wish that people could discuss things in a civil manner instead of the ugly divisive thing that politics has become.

Chestnuts roasted by Jason @ 07/03/2004 03:34 PM EST

I'm with Jason on this one, and I regret bringing the real world here. It'll be the last time. Political arguments aren't as playful as "who was the best Ninja Turtle?"

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 07/03/2004 07:22 PM EST

Anti-American? There is an idea out there that being a true American and being patriotic has to do with having a certain ideology. As Thomas Jefferson once said: "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." The best thing that a citizen can do is to try and change our country for the better. Just because someone wants change doesn't mean that they should be labeled as "Anti-American." Change is a good thing. Where would we be without the Revolutionary War, without the abolishment of slavery, without the Civil Rights Movements of the 1960s?
In respect to Michael Moore specifically, he has never made any claims to want to "scrap the system." In fact, all of the problems he has with our society and all the solutions he has proposed to these problems lie well within the boundaries of our system of government. All the work he has done has been to preserve the system we have while changing it to benefit the majority of the people of the United States. To suggest that Michael Moore is some sort of revolutionary is really missing the point.

Chestnuts roasted by Jaxin @ 07/06/2004 03:20 AM EST

As The legendary Billy Jean would say "fair is fair" I guess we can agree to dissagree. However I encourage everyone to see the movie. It's an important piece, culturally speaking, at its very least.

Regardless of Moore's movie, and my stance on social issues, my life hasn't improved during the past four years. I'll be voting for change.

Okay, So now I'm going to check out the newest blog. I love your website Matt. Thanks for getting me through the day!

Chestnuts roasted by nutgrrrs @ 07/06/2004 10:05 AM EST

Hey Matt, I've been reading X-Entertainment for years, and I was happy to see the F-9/11 review.

Dittohead-types are ALWAYS going to throng onto the message boards when they see something that challenges their worldview.

If there's some spin going around that F-9/11 is *Baaaad*, they'll simply repeat it undigested. Way of the world, man.

Moore is talking about offering a $10,000 bounty to anyone who finds a factual error in the movie. Its critics all going to be rich soon, presumably. Imagine all the ThunderCats toys you could buy with....

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