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02/25/2008: Three Men and a Ghost.

I don't protest that I'm merely the last of 560,000 websites to discuss the fabled Three Men and a Baby ghost, but I can't help myself. When news of this seeming specter poured into newscasts in 1990, my friends and I took it as proof positive that ghosts completely and totally existed.

Retelling the story is an almost needless formality, because everyone already knows it. Everyone…except frequent comment-leaver and mother-of-one, "kb." It's kb's fault that I get to tell the story with a clear conscience.

Millions around the world bore witness to the exploits of Ted Danson and the other two guys as they found themselves in the utterly hysterical position of raising an abandoned baby girl. What most moviegoers somehow missed was an otherwise forgettable scene where, if you look close, monsters will eat you:

As Three Men and a Baby moved to television airings and tape rentals, the world turned its eyes to the peculiar boy arrow-marked in the photo above. Neither an actor nor something seemingly of this world, the boy stood motionless, looking somewhere between stoic and fuzzy, as Danson and The Woman Portraying Danson's Mom acted their parts completely oblivious to the walking dead among them. It was impossible to imagine that this ghost-laden scene made it in the can without ever being caught by a member of the crew, and when things sound impossible, they can only be the doings of SUPERNATURAL POWERS.

There was a perfectly acceptable explanation for everything, but I'll get to that in a minute. As the story went, this horrible THING was in fact the ghost of a boy who, depending on which version of the story was told, died on the set, died in the house that the movie was shot in, died via shotgun blast, or died via forcibly injected foreign antibodies that refused to live up to their name. The ghoul wasn't making its presence known for revenge or anything; evidently, the boy just wanted his fifteen minutes, however postmortem.

If you watch the scene with the mindset that it could possibly maybe be a real ghost, it's dang creepy. I was all of ten or eleven years of age when the story broke, and soon after, one of the major networks gave Three Men and a Baby its first television airing. I watched the film and waited for that scene with a stomach full of pretty moths, and when I finally caught my first glimpse of the poor dead boy, it wasn't a minute later that every light in our house was on and I was wrapped firmly in whatever sufficed as a security blanket back then. I was absolutely floored. A ghost! A real, live ghost on display for the world to see!

All of my friends were similarly impressed, and in a world full of so many debatably great things, I think this marked the only time that everyone seemed to agree that something was awesome. After watching so many "real" ghost stories on television where the only visual evidence consisted of pictures of orbs or sketches by the same guys who did concept art for Spaced Invaders, finally, we had our smoking gun.

Only, we didn't. In truth, the ghost was merely a life-sized cardboard standee of Ted Danson — a leftover prop from one of the commercials his character starred in. Cut scenes from the film revealed that the standee was actually a running gag, so the fact that it was in plain sight during a scene that actually made it into the movie is sloppy, but hardly suspect. I found this news appalling, not because I didn't believe it, but because it meant that I no longer had a valid reason to watch Three Men and a Baby anymore. I came for the ghost, but secretly, I delighted in the acerbity and heartfelt moments. I understand that acerbity isn't a truly fitting description, but I just found out that it's an actual word and I just had to use it right here and now. "Acerbity." Sounds like a newly discovered planet, or one of the many animal pilots in Starfox's death squad.

I don't think I've ever come closer to really believing in ghosts as I did when I thought a cardboard Ten Danson was one of them. The universe seemed bigger, then.

I can't tell you how many times I have seen this mother f*cker trying to catch that scene. That and the Wizard of Oz, trying to see the guy that hung himself in the back ground.

Although, if you look closely, you can see a ghost. It's the ghost of Steve Guttenberg's career.

I saw the Wizard of Oz one…its creepy…but I think it is a bird or a crane camera thing

Matt, I had never heard of this, either, so you have two commenters learning the story for the first time.

With that out of the way…
There's something strange
in the neighborhood…
Who ya gonna call!?

The only ghost-movie-thingy I knew about was the dead hanging guy in the Wizard of Oz. Something about a stage hand offing himself during production, showing up in a few frames, ect.

I do know for sure if you cue up Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon on the second growl of the MGM Lion, the music tracks along with the movie in a very eriey way. Especially when the movie goes from B&W to color.

If thats a cardboard standee of Mr.Danson,why does it look like a ghost boy? You would think someone would recognize it was Danson.

Speaking of which, it reminds me of that old Power Rangers episode where this Clown Monster's only ability was turning people into cardboard cutouts. There was also one of those "PR PSAs!" at the end that explained to the 10 year old Matts of that era that it was faked and that you should not feat clown monsters, but the other fake costumed monsters on the show instead.

I should've watched the clip before I read that it was indeed cardboard, though.

Kinda took some gusto out of it. Still, pretty cool story!

That WASN'T a ghost?!?! First the Easter Bunny, then Santa, now this?!? My whole world is falling apart!

Ok, I can't help myself with this one. If you have ever watched the intro to Airwolf, did you ever notice that girl, Jean Bruce Scott, has three shots in the intro and one is her eating chicken? Really? The only shot in the series is her eating chicken legs?
Now I am confused. I don't know if I don't want to think about eating chicken when watching Airwolf or can't watch Jean Bruce when eating chicken. Shit.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ijQ7kHfrRt0

Luckily you have a real paranormal investigator that is addicted to your website…ME! I've been a paranormal investigator for about ten years now. I've only seen one thing that you might consider an apparition. Happened at a slave cemetery here in Charlotte. I've taken lot's of photo's…only two of them show anomalies that I have no explaination for. I'd be happy to share them with you if you want.

I don't know if you know what EVP's are so I will go ahead and tell you. EVP stands for "Electronic Voice Phenomena". Basically it's the act of capturing a ghost or other worldly voice on audio or now, digital tape. This is one aspect of the paranormal in which I have been able to get some good results.

For instance, I was investigating Brattonsville,SC. and I was running my audio recorder and I captured a female voice whispering the word "sad". Very clear. Pretty neat stuff that EVP.

I'm a very skeptical investigator. I don't believe anything that anyone tells me from their own perspective. I have to see it or hear it myself in order to believe.

If you want you can search my username on Youtube to watch my ghosthunting videos. CASPRPres. The video that has over 50 thousand hits is the best one. You should know though that the only picture in that video that I consider paranormal is the last one.

Hope you check it out! Love your site man! I come here every day and have so for years!

not sure how i missed the conversation about this said ghost before this post, but rest assured kb, you are not the only uncultured goon who didn't know about the masterpiece that is "three men and a baby….and ghost", i was completely and utterly oblivious. that sentence was really ling.

I've heard of this one before…but only because I used to read snopes.com alot. far too much actually. I know it's a cut out…but man it still creeps me out…nearly as much as those stupid youtube gags where you watch something closely and then someone screams and appears for a second…I know it's going to happen and it still creeps me out.. I think it goes back to when I was a kid and I though things could come out of the TV. (pink panther and insulation commercials,)

I never heard about this before either, but when I looked at that screenshot my first thought was "That is definitely a cardboard standee of some sort".

Rich…brilliant, man.
Yeah, I was upset by the ghost thing too, especially because I had it shoved down my throat for all those years, I think from sixth grade until my junior year where someone showed pictures or something with the other scenes. It was pretty cool at first, but the fact that I had at least five guys barking at me about it, I was like, why bother?

I think Matt and I were the same kid from two different places, as I add this to another thing we had in common: when I first saw the "ghost" I had nightmares for a week -at least.

And did ya know that Steve Guttenberg is in the next group of "stars" in Dancing with the Stars? Pretty sure that's a true one, and just as scary as the ghost….

CASPRPres : Awesome! I'm a huge ghost junkie and urban legend hound, and I've always wanted to observe a paranormal investigator at work. ^^ Must be fun staying up all night. *wink* EVP work scares the hell outta me, but its just so darn fascinating! And I know i'll be talking for HOURS on this kinda stuff so I'll hafta move on….

Ah, I remember both movie legends, and recall them being false. Personally when I saw it, it looked too big to be a ghost boy (w/ a shotgun, according some accounts). Ahhh…movie magic.

You know what else really creep(ed)(s) me out? That audio from someone suposedly sticking a microphone down into hell. Lots of upset sounds voice in that one.

I had no idea about this either! For some reason the whole topic and thread are reminding me how much I miss the Weekly World News

There was a tv show last year on TVLAND called "Myths and Legends" where they tackled stuff like Three Men and a Baby, Wizard of Oz, Poltergeist Curse, etc.

The audio from hell is probably one of the scariest things I have ever heard. I love Art Bell but I will never forgive him for playing that.

I remember this from when I was a kid and I remember having the same reaction–totally fascinated and really creeped out at the same time. Yeah, I saw that show on TV Land that JLAJRC was talking about and they completely debunked this one and the Wizard of Oz thing. It's funny how if you look at the Wizard of Oz thing really closely you can totally tell it's just a bird moving his wing back and forth. I remember a teacher showing it to us in high school though and swearing it was a guy who hung himself in the background.

CASPRPres, That's rad that you're doing that. I've always wanted to go out and record some EVP's but it's kind of hard to get people together who would actually want to go with me. I'm in Columbia. Let me know if you ever make your way down here.

paul, I heard that tape on Coast to Coast with Art Bell. It does sound pretty terrifying, although I have no idea where it actually came from.

This ranks among my all time most hated urban legends and seems to have followed me a large portion of my life. I don't know why I hate it so much orther than the fact that I don't have a Ted Danson cardboard cut out.

There was someone in the last few years who came forward with some similar recordings that turned out to be ambient noise from a nearby city that was altered and amplified by going through a pipe he'd been working on or something. So even if this hole was supposedly off in the middle of nowhere, if the other end or any branches/side tunnels from it opened anywhere near a populated area, that could account for the sounds.

I'd never heard of either this or the Wizard of Oz thing until now. And, for those of you who hadn't heard of the Oz thing until now, either, here's a link explaining it. www.Snopes.com/movies/films/OzSuicide

Hey night timers looking for something to watch on tv, the New York Philharmonic are playing in North Korea right now.

I think I wore out that spot on the video tape I had of Three Men and a Baby. I totally agree that when I was a kid, that was solid proof of the afterlife. On a side not, I noticed that "Shamrock Shakes" are back in my neck of the woods…can't wait to grab one!

Damn. I totally wish that this hadn't been ruined for me…on the other hand, now I can tape over Three Men and a Baby since this 'ghost scene' was my reason for keeping it!!

I could see myself being creeped out by that if I wasn't informed of such cardboard cut-out beforehand.

I do, however, have a best friend that will swear up and down that she's seen and heard ghosts. If I remember correctly, the ghosts of grandparents hung around the house for quite a while after they passed, and she's seen them clear as day. Or at least she's convinced of such.

I thought it was someones jacket on a coat hanger, now I'm actually impressed that there was a backstory. They need a directors cut version, bring back all the cardboard cut-outs for extra scenes!

For some reason I was too busy wondering "Oh, who can take tomorrow, dip it in a dream, separate the sorrow and collect up all the cream…"?

I was freaked out about the ghost too, although I'm pretty sure the first time I laid eyes on it was in a tv special dispelling the myth- stil lcool though.

What freaked me out even more, was the "ghost" i found in The Godfather Part II. Yeah, i was a teenager and watching it for the first time, when i noticed something strange. Can't remember exactly where now, but during a scene that's shot rather darkly, you can see a woman's face superimposed over the screen- for an extended period of time (like minutes!), she moves around a bit and eerily stares through the screen right at you. I'm sure there is a logical explanation… its the editors reflection or somehing, but it's some freaky shit to see. I even paused the move to make sure i wasn't getting some interferance from a tv station- sure enough, the face paused with it. I suggest chcking it out for those of you into this stuff.

"I don't think I've ever come closer to really believing in ghosts as I did when I thought a cardboard Ten Danson was one of them. The universe seemed bigger, then"

Did anyone else read this like it was the Richard Dreyfuss voiceover from the end of Stand By Me? The bit about him never having friends like the one's he had when he was 12? Brought a tear to my eye!

Guise: GODDAMMIT! I was just starting to forget our conversation yesterday! XD

Oh man, this and the Unsolved Mysteries thread really got me thinking about my childhood in a good way. Thanks, Matt, you made me feel like I was 12 again. ^^

My friends refuse to tell me about local hauntings cuz they know I'll want to go check them out w/ cameras and recorders. I'm Dio, and I'm addicted to ghosts.

I did know the story, (along with nearly every other urban legend in existence) but just remember - just because cardboard Danson wasn't a ghost, it doesn't mean the real ghosts aren't out there…somewhere.

Oh, great. Now you've got me jonesing for the Halloween season in February. Because everyone knows that one of the highlights of the season is reading a thread full of ghost stories after dark and getting too freaked out to leave the pool of light provided by your computer.

So this entire article is basically the equivalent of telling your junkie friend, "Hey, you know what's really good times? Shooting smack. Well, let's go to the juice bar, what do you say?"

Here's a clip of the Wizard of Oz "suicide." As you can see the "victim" clearly spreads it wings.

Cool blog post, not sure which is scarier a ghost or a cardboard cutout of Ted Dawson, both are pretty darn creepy.

Also cool article on the wizard homepage, for anyone else who wants to check it out its at
http://www.wizarduniverse.com/022508muscle.html
I'll have to buy the magazine to see what comic stip they're talking about.

Oh, the Candyman can, Dio, the Candyman can! Just be glad that you are the one with the art skills, not me!

FungusMungus why would it be my picture on the screen with the fat guy performing a little manual labor? Sorry, it is totally from the last thread, but I just read it.

I remember when I first heard about the 3M&aB "ghost": I was working at a video rental place, I think it was around 1990, and it was a slow night, and one of my co-workers relayed the legend, and we just happened to have a copy of the tape on hand, so we popped that bad boy into the vcr by the register, and must have played and rewound that scene about 80 times, without coming to any definite conclusions about it - other than "there's no way that the post-production team could not have seen that, and left it in unintentionally."

Choose your words carefully FM. May I suggest something in the realms of "Well, they obviously must have exceptionally good taste…"?

I think it is hilarious regardless. I just wasn't expecting to be mentioned I guess….have I mentioned that I love snow days? Guise Your explanation would still not really explain it, but I would totally feel like one of the cool kids.

I usually like Snopes.com for giving the straight story on stuff, but their Wizard of Oz suicide explanation is pretty weak.

Their conclusion is, "how could someone fall on set and nobody reacts?". If they're trying to debunk a hanging, then nobody "fell" on set, they "hung". Their second conclusion is that an error couldn't remain in the film over so many years.

Leave it to Matt to have us come face to face w/ the lost trappings of our childhood, be it fears or candy. And leave it to Guise to make us squirm uncomfortably. ^^

God, I want to have a paranormal experience just once. Just once, honest! Then, I'm off the stuff for good! I once heard a Vietnamese legend that its a sin for ghosts to scare humans, so if you're scared of ghosts, they won't come near you. I don't think I'm scared, but i sure don't want to die at the hands of some random asian ghost. They're wayyyy more active than American ghosts; American ghosts are lazy and just stay in once place. ^^

I don't know how ANYONE thought this was a ghost. Just like I still don't get how anyone mistook an exotic background bird for a suicidal Munchkin in the Wizard of Oz. Both of these things are clear as day as to what they are even BEFORE the crystal clarity of DVDs.

And Matt you do have another valid reason to see Three Men In a Baby: Colin Quinn's quote of "That's not a giraffe, that's a dinosaur!".

I love this friggin' movie. I also always loved that Steve Guttenberg's character was supposed to be a cartoonist.

This blog remind me that episode of Family Guy where Stewie and Brian talk about this urban legend.

I like little easter-eggs like this in movies. Now you have to do a blog about the sexual references in animated films. or…Hidden Mickey's! (wait, I think you already did that one)

I remember going in our usual video store and the lady working there was running this scene over and over again on one of the tv's. I remember everyone around being blown away, I was freaked out.

This same video store had a poster of the Gholies on the wall where the little green one is coming out of the toilet. That also gave me a fear and made me check the toilet every I sat down for years.

Speaking of which, I still have a habit from a scaring moment in the movie Arachnophobia, where a guy gets bit from one of the spiders under the toilet seat. I saw this when it first came out on video when I was a little kid, to this day I check under the toilet seat before sitting down.

No, Mr. Guttenberg, you're the asshole. You're the asshole for not making a sequel to The Big Green.

The only ghosts I like are the ones they find on ghost hunters. I love how melodramatic the whole thing is, WHAT THE FRIG!?!?

The Big Green?!? Wow, talk about a blast from the past, I must have watched that movie a thousand times (thanks to younger siblings…Ladybugs was more my style when it came to wacky soccer movies).

FOX: That Ghoulies poster also freaked me out as a child. The horror posters from the 80s/early 90s ROCKED when it came to scariness, even if the movie wasn't scary at all.

sorry this has nothing to do with ghouls and/or ghosts… but i just read about two things that i absolutely HAVE TO SEE!!!!

1.A He-Man parody, He-Bro, appeared in 2006 on the TV show Wonder Showzen which portrays He-Man as a Jewish black man who can stretch his muscles like Plastic Man. The feature stays true to the actual Filmation style.

2.Filipino-comedian Joey De Leon starred in a parody movie entitled She-Man: Mistress of the Universe, which portrays He-Man as a gay warrior equiped with a powerful scepter that magically turns into a sword, a folding fan that can generate powerful winds, shotgun, umbrella and at one time a brightly colored umbrella. Battlecat was replaced by a large colorful butterly that serves as She-Man's mode of transportation.

I heard that part of the scare is that somebody moved the standee during the scene, and that is what made people think it was a g-g-g-ghost. One minute it was there, then the camera pans one way, pans back, and the figure is gone.

Matt: To bring up an old X-E favorite topic of Kinder Eggs, have you ever seen this FREAKY ad for them? YIKES

speaking of creepy commercials… this is the first ever appearance of Ronald McDonald on television…

I can never get over how Kinder Eggs aren't a huge part of growing up in the US, I took it as a given that they were everywhere. Man, the amount of the little toys from them that I had growing up.

If anything early Ronald seems more like the deranged, costumed hobo preying on little children with his waist level magic tray for them to feast on his…goodies.

He's like the creepy hobo who says he's a wizard because he made a cone hat out of a week old newspaper.

I once had a cone hat made of week old newspaper, but I was a kid at a holiday camp, so that isn't creepy, just lame.

ok, this is the last commercial i'll post today… but i had to show it to everyone… its creepy, weird, and quite frankly, just plain WRONG… and a little sexy… i give you: Ronald McDonalds Daughter

Hehe, T0mmy, that was the one that inspired one of my valentines poems last year! I loved it!

If I broke your heart,
In your tears I would drown.
But I had to snap your neck,
You know I hate clowns.

Wow, I've never heard this story before either. You're right, Matt, it is kind of chilling if you watch it with the idea in your head that it's a ghost.

Although, thanks a lot– I've wasted the last hour or so looking at ghost videos on Youtube. I find the idea of ghosts and whatnot fascinating. (However, I think the majority of "paranormal" videos/recordings are fake.)

Man, I'm kinda late to the party. I worked, went to class, then fished, and boy was it good catchin'!

I've heard of this whole thing before, to me it doesn't really look like a ghost, just something that makes you go, wait…WTF was that?

Now Leigha, it was a Star Wars themed thread!!! Just spelled it wrong is all. Although, since you are flattered, feel free to link any revealing pictures you may have for the lecherous among us.

OK, I had heard of that Wizard of Oz hanging guy thing. It does look like a bird. Is it wrong that I am bummed?

Yes…yes we are. And when we were talking about movie urban legends..I thought about the Penis in the little mermaid castle.

That little mermaid penis thing is up in the air. Of course it looks like a penis, but whether it was put there intentionally or not is the debate. To me it would be kind of hard to "accidentally" draw something looking like a penis without realizing it, and then start giggling about it.

Now, if we're talking about intentional stuff put into children's movies, just look at The Rescuers and the infamous naked woman in the window frame.

Indeed. I would have rather not known that it was a cut out..but unfortunately I have this bad habit of ruining my "scare myself" fantasies with snopes.com

Hey speaking of phallises in The Little Mermaid! I was watching my DVD of that the other night and remember how there was such a big stink that towards the end of the movie the priest sprung a huge boner and Michael Eisner was all, "Oh no that's clearly a KNEE and anyone who thinks otherwise has a sick mind!" Well they happened to edit the "knee" out of the DVD.

Fox: I have relatives who live in the town where they filmed that. I can't sleep easy knowing that there might still be a buncha spiders still lurking about. O_O

I dunno, I think someone hanging themselves seems like a self-explainatory reason. Someone hanging seems like something hard to ignore. And the Stormtrooper whacking his head is a mistake that should remain in the movie to the rest of existence.

Squee, I'm also familiar with "The Big Green." My little brother was just getting into soccer when that came out, and I think we watched it at least three or more times a week.

Considering how often I watched "Three Men and a Baby" as a kid, it's a bit odd that this is one urban movie myth I'm not familiar with. Maybe it has to do with the lousy video copy my family had (taped off of HBO sometime in '88 and watched a billion times).

Whoops! How did that "anonymous" get up there? I really need to pay attention…

I never thought I'd see a topic that could start at ghosts and end up at penises.

Also, has anyone seen the elusive Shamrock Shake yet? I just called a McDonald's, and they said they don't do specials. A Shamrock Shake isn't a 'special.' It's the conclusion of a life-altering journey to find personal enlightenment.

Now, if we're talking about intentional stuff put into children's movies, just look at The Rescuers and the infamous naked woman in the window frame.

Speaking of which, there's also the Upskirt shots of Jessica Rabbit in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit."

FungusMungus no revealing pics here, the fiancee would kill me. that and im not really the type to be revealing. on a lighter note, yes, we are all the cool kids….i suppose. my fiancee makes fun of me for my love of X-E, but he totally made a reference to waiterbot today! GREAT SUCCESS!!!!

Yeah, but it happens so damn fast in the movie that you would only notice if you were looking for it.

That's my problem with a lot of these "Dirty things in kids movies" things…Most of them don't become apparent until you're told about them, and they're only found by people who are looking for them…

I was working overnight at a local department store when two guys who worked there came in excited about something or other waving around their cell phones with pictures of what they claimed was a real life ghost.

The claimed that at one of the high schools if you looked in the right window, at the very end of a long hallway you could see the ghost of a small boy sitting on the stairs reading a book. One claimed it was transparent! One claimed he saw it move!

Now, these guys are something in the realm of 25 or 26 so I was floored they thought it was an actual ghost.

I let it go, but damn it if everyone in my part of the city wasn't talking about this amazing ghost.

I went to go see it, and it's really quite a thing. It certainly does look like a ghost, but I assumed it was painted on the stairs or a standee or something.

I went to go show someone about a month later, and there were printed pages all over the window 'This was an art project by some students! There is no ghost!'

And with that the believers all lost their evidence that ghosts really do exist. I had one friend who believed so fully… My goodness.

It's too bad they put up signs. Ghost stories are great fun for a lot of people. If I become the owner of a cottage or other estate that I don't frequent often I'll totally put some ghostly special effects that only go off Wednesday night between 2am and 3am. Then when I visit I can pretend to be a crazed lunatic with bodies in the basement and make all the local teenagers really freaked out.

Actually Guttenberg is an asshole for not making a sequel to The Day After, called, fittingly, The Day After the Day After. I'm still waiting Steve.

How many folks here can claim that they actually saw this movie, Three Men and a Baby, in theaters? Well, I did. Yeah… it wasn't the coolest movie for a nine-year-old to go see, but it was better than sitting home watching reruns of You Can't Do That On Television on Nickelodeon.

Anyway, this really takes me back to my early days on the 'net in the mid '90s. So many interesting stories…

1. The young boy's ghost on the set of Three Men and a Baby.
2. Suicide on the set of The Wizard of Oz.
3. Pink Floyd albums playing with The Wizard of Oz.

Well, all of them except the "up the butt, Bob!" segment and also Jack Tripper's nut playing peek-a-boo with the camera on Three's Company.

Long time reader of the site here, first time posting on the blog. I…honestly don't know what to say here. I'm about twenty-one, and I'm just gonna shut up now because it's too damn late for me to be thinking about what to say.

I remember hearing about this back in the day and the OZ one too. Freaked me out at the time. But I was also a regular acid eater in the late 80s so lots of stuff freaked me out.

- Those Wagon Train dog food commercials with the little horse and wagon
- The Hamburger Helper hand guy
- V (movies and series)
- The Pillsbury Dough Boy. I tell ya: not only is it freakish to think that little guy could jump out at any moment, but he pushed you on EATING DOUGH!!! I don't know if they ever showed him eating bread products himself, but he totally sold out his kind.

News alert! I just heard on the radio that the Shamrock Shake will be available nation wide. This means no more hard looking for that great shake.

I remember hearing about the ghost, but I was told you could see him walking. I was very disappointed to see a very flat looking child that didn't move the entire scene.

This reminds me of the time somebody put a cardboard cutout of a NKOTB in their window that faced the school yard. I thought it was a real person, a boy that was sad he couldn't come to school and play with the rest of us. It was a good week until someone noticed it was in fact someone from the original boys bands of all boy bands, New Kids On The Block.

The urban legend that gives me the willies is the sound blip in Aladdin. The snopes article where they debunk it has the sound clip, they have also provided the clip sped up and slowed down. The slow clip gives me the creeps, I can't explain it, it's very unsettling.

On a different note, and the reason I felt the need to come back, I got the first season of The Golden Girls for my birthday! When I got this, the first thing I thought was of good ol' Matt and his wonderful entertainment of the E kind.

Welcome, Amund! And welcome back, IHAQ!
Magic Toy, are you saying the Dark Side of the Rainbow Floyd/Oz mashup is debunked? Because I've watched them together enough times to know that even if it's unintentional on the band's part and mostly confirmation bias on the viewer's, it's STILL pretty neat.

I remember when my older brother showed me this. I was 9. I immediately had him walk me upstairs and into my mom's room. I laid in bed shaking and scared to freaking death. It's really disapointing that it's not a ghost.

All movies should have a mysterious quirk like this and the Wizard of Oz. I love that sh!t.

I just finished a school paper on my obsession w/ the supernatural and mentioned this thread. Man, my teacher must think I'm a lunatic. I sure could use a local haunting or urban legend right about now tho. T_T The Winchester house doesn't do it for me. Maybe I'm not sensitive enough.

On the thread of paranormal investigation, a classmate of mine mentioned that he was interested in starting an non-official club for paranormal investigation, AKA, breaking into abandoned places and hopefully not getting caught. Can I get a "hells to the yes"? XD

I do wonder how some of the more elaborate legends started, like the Pink Floyd/Wizard of Oz one. Did someone honestly think "I wonder what would happen if I played Pink Floyd and Wizard of Oz at the same time?" If so, they have too much time on their hands. If it was an accident, how did the legend spread without the aid of the internet?

Another elaborate legend/myth is the whole "Paul McCartney is dead." deal where supposedly the Beatles album covers/songs left clues about this for some reason.

I really want to learn filmmaking techniques, just to do viral stuff and 'accidental' inclusions in films.

That and property design, I've been playing SimTower and have a great idea for a twenty storey hotel, but the largest building in my town is only about nine.

I'd actually turn the thirteenth floor in to an entire 'haunted house' thing with a kids version and adults, with a cinema in each version. The Scissorman and Old Man Stubbyfingers would be there.

Guise that just means you have to re-locate to the States when you come into your millions and throw one hell of an opening night party for all of your X-E friends!

If I could choose any apparition to be haunted by, I'd have to go with the ghost of ted danson.

I have no idea if it is true or not. It is very interesting, but I've never heard the band confirm or deny it. Perhaps I worded it too strongly earlier when I implied that it wasn't true.

You'd like to be haunted by the ghost of Ted Danson, eh? I don't know about that — it didn't work out too well for Leslie Nielsen in Creepshow.

I suppose with all this ghostly talk I could include that I live just outside what is said to be the most haunted small town in the country: Alton, Illinois. Lots of stupid little ghost stories abound, and there's even a Haunted Alton book telling of a lot of places that you can go trespass and get yourself arrested at.

Used to go "ghost hunting" with my friends back in the day, but that finally just fell through at some point. Shame, because it was fun. I have a few stories, none of which I'll recount here, but the link down there should provide you all with some of the local flavor. If you can navigate around the thousands of plugs for Taylor's books, of course.

On the subject of the cardboard cutout ghost: though I've never seen the movie, I've read about this particular myth at length on snopes. Great site, but it just takes the fun out of stuff sometimes.

Amund
That's weird I didn't know Alton was supposed to be so haunted! I lived in that area for 8 years and never heard about it!

I bet the post production team had some giggles when they heard the rumor about there being a ghost on the set.:)

Also I grew up in central Illinois and dated a girl who lived in O'Fallon for a couple of years, so I know your area well. One of my best friends also still lives in that area. I never knew that Alton was supposedly so haunted, I'll have to read up about it.

When mentioning Alton, IL you also have to make note of Alton's most famous son, Robert Wadlow, aka 'The Alton Giant.'

Of course, who could ever forget about Robert Wadlow? I think I have a picture of my brother standing next to the statue saved somewhere.

"Pink Floyd band members have repeatedly insisted that the reputed phenomenon is coincidence. In an interview for the 25th anniversary of the album, guitarist/vocalist David Gilmour denied that the album was intentionally written to be synchronized with Oz, saying "Some guy with too much time on his hands had this idea with combining Wizard of Oz with Dark Side of the Moon."[7]

On an MTV special about Pink Floyd in 2002, the band dismissed any relationship between the album and the movie, saying that there were no means of reproducing the film in the studio at the time they recorded the album.

In a 2003 interview with Rolling Stone Magazine, Dark Side of the Moon engineer Alan Parsons said of the supposed effect:

"It was an American radio guy who pointed it out to me. It's such a non-starter, a complete load of eyewash. I tried it for the first time about two years ago. One of my fiancee's kids had a copy of the video, and I thought I had see what it was all about. I was very disappointed. The only thing I noticed was that the line "balanced on the biggest wave" came up when Dorothy was kind of tightrope walking along a fence. One of the things any audio professional will tell you is that the scope for the drift between the video and the record is enormous; it could be anything up to twenty seconds by the time the record's finished. And anyway, if you play any record with the sound turned down on the TV, you will find things that work."[8]

On March 3, 2006 at the Canadian Music Week conference in Toronto, Alan Parsons, the album's recording engineer, told an audience during a question-and-answer session that there had been no effort to integrate the album with the film."

Parsons brings up a good point. The case of the Dark Side of the Oz might be what skeptics charge about the Bible Code. The criticism of the Bible Code is that you can take any book as big a Bible, put a random algorithm in, and get "codes."

Rich, ha ha! See, I can do it! Type the name like this insert name here but without the spaces in the b parts.

Damn it! Ok, let me try it with something beside spaces… insert name here Just take out the star/pound thingies.

Fuck. Ok, you know the greater than, less than symbols? You type a less than, followed by a b, follwed by a greater than, followed by the text that you want bolded, followed by a less than, followed by a slash, followed by a b and then a greater than.

Darth, I was going to say "What DP means is…", but my mind is unhinged today and I couldn't bring myself to use DP.

That and property design, I've been playing SimTower and have a great idea for a twenty storey hotel, but the largest building in my town is only about nine.

Damn, SimTower, that brings me back. Back when I was a junior-junior counselor at a day camp some years ago, one of the computer games in our rickety computer lab was SimTower. I had a pretty damn good one by the time summer ended.

And also…I SCORED A WII!

Yay. As it turns out, my dad bought one too, not knowing that I had found one. Sorry, I already found a buyer for the 2nd one.

Wow someone made Guise feel dirty? I didn't think such a thing was possible! lol

Norb, I'm using SimTower to bring me down from SimCity 4 which I was using to come down from Civilization IV. It's reverse gateway.

Dan, I kind of did it to myself. So much talk about 'romantic liaisons' for one day…then with Darth's name, just too much when my mind tried to shorten it.

Hello everyone! Sorry I haven't posted in a while, but I have to be at work in half an hour. I'll be back after my shift. Congratulations to Invader Norbert on his recent Wii purchase!

Guise: Okay, I've never played those games, but I love other similar games (Civ II and the older SimCity games), so now I have a question for you. Out of the three you mentioned - Civ IV, SimCity 4, and SimTower - which would you say is the best? I have actually heard that a lot of people hate Civ IV and are all "waaah Civ II was the best rabble rabble", so I'm especially curious about that one.

Mono is the biggest bitch ever. I had that shit when I was 15 and it's a good thing that I didn't get it during the school year, because I would have been royally screwed. I was incapacitated for nearly a month.

I had a mysterious throat aliment 2 years ago, they couldn't diagnose it as mono without a blood test, and apparently it has a small window of showing up in tests anyway. They just assumed I had mono, which it was very likely I did. They did however rule out strep. I was so tired and my throat hurt, but for a while I felt worse when they gave me medication for it. About 3 days with meds and I started to feel better.

It was quite a sucky week, but at least I got out of school and work, and my friend brought me a pint of Ben and Jerry's

Um, can I at least say that my original post (which apparently violated some rule, which I can deal with that) mentioned my having mono, just so we know that's why we're talking about that? That seems reasonable to me…

Anyway, yeah, the first time I had it I was unlucky enough to get it right at the beginning of the school year. I had to repeat 7th grade, which really, really sucked since I was already older than everybody since my birthday was in September. That meant my second time in 7th grade, everyone else was twelve when I was fourteen. Being 14 and being surrounded by 12-year-olds is nooot fun

I have a lot of catching up to do on the blogs. XE was added to the filters a few weeks ago, so I haven't been on much.

Since I last posted I've broken it off with the lady (on good terms), picked up a Ps3 and Burnout Paradise (it's like crack I tells ya), and threw together a trip to Las Vegas with my dad and younger brothers. My youngest brother is turning 21 so we're all going out for a week in mid June. It's our (except for my dad) first time out there and we're staying at the Mirage in the same exact room plan that the Griswolds stayed in. Needless to say, we're pretty excited.

I haven't even put in Wii Sports yet…All I've done tonight was check out the Channels and extras.

I've already created 3 Miis…myself, Barack Obama and John McCain. I plan to have the 2 of them duke it out in Wii Boxing.

And, thanks to a suggestion by Mortalwind, I've decided to start an "actual" blog as well.

I don't have my Wii friend code on hand, sorry. My Wii is on a journey back to my front porch after being repaired in California. It was sick with pixelation-itis - but I've been told its all better now.

In my imagination it is currently sharing a thought-to-be empty boxcar with a few bums on an east-bound train, somewhere in Kansas. They are sharing stories, an uncooked can of baked beans, and a bottle of apple brandy.

Jazzy, having played all except for Civ3 (and including Colonization and Alpha Centuri), I actually like Civ4 a damn lot more than the others. It has it's flaws, for example the infamous Spearmen beating Tanks, but it is a great game and the multiplayer functions make it go above and beyond. I prefer it to Civ2, but I think it's a much more watered down version of the game.

SimCity4 isn't really anything new, just twiddles with features and makes things pretty. They have the Sims import which is just a bit of game fluff and an ability to drive around in vehicles (you complete missions for special buildings, but you can earn those buildings with pre-requisites). SimCity4 is just a new version of the other SimCities - in some ways I actually prefer the SNES version of SimCity or the 'real person' video clips from SimCity 3000.

SimTower is age old and really damn simplistic, it doesn't have the range of SimCity but it's a good timewaster.

I'd probably rate it in terms of best to least best: Civ4 - SimCity4 - SettlersII - Populus - WarcraftII - Theme Hospital - SimTower - Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds - Theme Park - Capitalization

Norb, I'm so glad to hear of a move, or at least cross-posting. I rarely ever look at MySpace unless I see it linked from FaceBook, and even less leave comments!

One of the things I love about X-E folks is I can pick any of your links to a blog and find that the person tends to write with a great sense of wit and thought. Even if I then just end up lurking, commentless. XD

Rich, Also, if you wanna put something in italics, just replace the "b" with "i" in the brackets.

Man, I soooo want a PS3. I was planning on buying one next month, but I really need to save up for a down payment on another car. Mine's just about on its last legs. Plus, I'm gonna see The Cure in June, and that ain't cheap. Yippee for tax returns.

Thanks Patio! Although, that still offers little explaination, at least I know i wasn't seeing things! Really creepy.

It's official, I'm become addicted to X-E. It's the first website I check every morning, even if I don't post anything.

ITA with you, Guise. I can't even really read people's MySpaces if I wanted to, it's even uglier on Mobile than it is on a computer, and forget about trying to leave a comment. I've been bookmarking the hell out of everybody's non-Space blogs though. Looking forward to the rest of the villian countdown, Invader!

I just saw a commercial for something called "Three Pigs and a Baby". I wonder if Selleck and crew find that offensive at all.

Squee4242: I JUST saw the commercial for that this morning. It frightened me.

HEY MATT!!!I'm sure you know this ,being an insider and all, but have you seen the Cloverfield monster action figure?Bad ass.

I think I may start up a separate blog from my myspace like I had in the past. I had a Ujournal in mid 03, switched to livejournal when it took down friend codes late 03, then wrote for 3 straight years in it, then gave in to myspace and wrote there.

Hey Matt - you may be interested in this. I'm a film student at Concordia University in Montreal. Today we were talking about what is acceptable in terms of mistakes with blocking. In other words, accidently having a tripod in the side of the frame or… um… a light stand being reflected in a window… maybe a wire showing. Etc.

So I showed him this video during our classes 15 minute break. He then decided to show it to class when we got back from break. We then had a serious discussion about the acceptability of Ted Dansons cardboard cutout in the shot.

He later showed us a clip from the so bad it may be considered ok to good at least to laugh at 1995 movie (from a Stephen King novel) "The Langoliers" - check it out.

My main thing about MySpace is that it tries to be customisable without actually letting you change much at all. Well, that and that a lot of it reminds me of old Geocities sites.

I ran my stuff on LiveJournal because it was there, then I decided to switch to my own hosted Wordpress because I didn't like being attached to a brand like LJ, Xanga, Blogger.

MySpace, once you get past the bells and whistles, is as good a place as any for social networking. I just find that the blogging area of it is a bit of an afterthought added on, the same for Facebook really.

The differnce between the systems, other than the audience, seems to be that MySpace allows you to add colours, increase the number of people from a porn site offering you a good time and set up things that play automatically on load (Geocities/AOL Homepages) whereas Facebook is clinical appearance, static in sound and allows you to get bogged down in gadgets (Google Pages/iGoogle).

Heza, nothing wrong with a good rant! I keep a LJ seperate from my actual blog just so I have a place to be a Drama Llama from time to time. Sometimes it's fun to read other peoples vents too!

I've tried a couple of different blog/networking sites in the past. I've posted quite a few on MySpace but a lot of those are not very interesting so I've decided to take a cue from some of the others here and give wordpress a shot. I don't know if it'll be worth reading or not but I figured I'd give it a shot.

Oy, the facebook "gadgets"….hate them! One of the many reasons I don't check my facebook.

I'm proud my facebook has 0 gadgets, and I hate how all my friends have tons of gadgets and try and get me to join them too. Some even require you send an invite to all your friends to get it. No I don't want to be part of the "Omg lets super poke Mickey Rooney as many times as we can club"….I just pulled that name out of my ass, poor Mickey Rooney.

I've tried lots of different blog sites and usually end up using them for different purposes. Myspace is for various life updates, LJ is for emo bitching that I wanna show my close friends but not everyone I went to high school with (I hate the "preferred list" on Myspace), Wordpress is for actual writing about stuff. I generally like Wordpress the best just because it's pretty simple. You go to somebody's page, and what they've written is right there, nice and clean and easy to see. I really hate the stupid "cut" thing on LJ, where I get screamed at by everyone on my friends list if I don't post in a certain format. Screw that. Also, Facebook sucks and can rot in hell.

BTW, I am currently posting this from inside a blanket fort. Gotta love the mild insanity that prolonged cabin fever creates.

There's gotta be a good site out there that shows a bunch of these urban legends in film all in one spot…does anybody know of one?

KB: The best one is probably still Snopes.com
Not only do they do film, they also do tv, radio, music, and a whole lot of other categories.

I used to use Livejournal a lot, but for the past few months, I haven't been writing much of substance there. I just use it as a dumping ground right now, mostly. Maybe one of these days I'll get back to writing serious posts in it.

I have a facebook but I'm still confused as to all the workings of it. I totally even forgot about it until I got invited to group a net-buddy created the other week. I still write really emo posts in my LJ, though I keep them all locked now. Got 7+ years of emo blogging on that thing, dating even back to when I was in high school. It's pretty cool to look back on, though it can be kinda scary depending on what dates I'm looking at. My MySpace is pretty much a "what I'm up to" type deal for mah buddies. Oh, and to post cute photos of myself.

I wholeheartedly agree. MySpace reminds me of looking at fan pages for games or movies circa 1997. It just looks terrible. Although, I'm not sure if I'm the only who does this, but sometimes my sister lets me sign on her account. I get to see how many people from my high school graduating class have kids 5 years later. The answer? A lot.

I have a Myspace, but I'm thinking of deleting it. I don't like the interface and I only check it maybe once a month, at the most.

Just a quick reminder–my radio show, Dark Entries, is on tonight. Starts at 2am (eastern) and goes till 4ish. You can listen to it streaming live here: http://wusc.sc.edu
You can also AIM me for requests and whatnot while I'm on the air at: wusconair
If you wanna call me in the studio, it's 803-576-WUSC.

I created a Myspace account for the sole purpose of sending a message directly to the members of the band GWAR. I achieved said directive, but those lousy dickheads never responded. I prompty abandoned Myspace never to return. If I ever have anything to say in cyberspace, I say it here.

I wish I could listen, DJ D but with working office hours I'm usually in bed by 11.

Will you play Fearless by VNV Nation for me, anyway?

I have a facebook account and it's great. But I stay far away from the Applications. Those are awful and I really wish they hadn't invented them.

However, it took me a long time to warm up to the idea–I didn't get an account until AFTER I graduated College (this was before they opened it up to everybody)…But it has been great for staying in touch with my College friends, and I've also gotten re-aquatinted with some High School people, too….

On Blogging: I kept a blog when I did Baylor in Oxford in 2005, for the sole purpose of keeping my family up to date with what was going on in my life. It was fun but I don't feel the need to keep blogging…most of what i write is too personal to broadcast to the web…(And the rest of it I publish here, LOL!) Click my name if you want to read it.

on Myspace: Ick…Just Ick… (I did read Knack's MySpace during the Advent calendars, though)..

JLARC- thanks!
I have a myspace, and a facebook. I don't really get facebook, but then I think I am too old for it anyhow. I used to blog the crap out of my myspace, but then I realized how much I hated the format.

Got a livejournal (and a deadjournal) that I never use. I probably haven't made a real update on lj in over a year and a half and haven't logged into the deadjournal in probably two years. I just got tired of it all.

Rich:
I graduated in 2005 and a lot of the girls in my graduating class already have kids. I get to see them at work all the time, using WIC checks and food stamps. Hell, my sister in law who graduated with me has one. Damn kids…kids having kids…

Oh, god, you guys have got to help me. I woke up this morning and it was supposed to be March but it's still February. February twenty-ninth? What kind of twisted crap is this? Something has gone terribly wrong with the space-time continuum.

I don't know which god-like evil entity is responsible for this perversion. Currently, my top two theories are that Oprah wants it to be Black History Month forever or…Ronald McDonald never wants March to arrive so that he can keep all the shamrock shakes to HIMSELF.

One thing is clear: if nobody manages to restore the natural order, we're going to be trapped in this crap month for the rest of eternity. For my primary plan to work, I need one of you to lay hands on a DeLorean and meet me at the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland. Otherwise, I'll just have to start working my way up the McDonalds hierarchy using a large stick with a nail in it until I get to the Man in Yellow.

Oh shit, Jedoc. I just went back in time yesterday, I hope that didn't fuck you up. I swear to God I didn't think the past having one less Ninja Turtle Pie would have made much of a difference!

(actually, stuck in my Birthday month wouldn't be so bad….Wait a minute, this month has sucked except for my Birthday…..WE NEED MARCH NOW!!!)

Hell yes we need March now! Leap year makes me wait an extra day for my birthday, which is on Sunday March 2. Technically everyone has to wait an extra day for their birthday if born after today, but damn it, I could have been born on Feb 30 if this month was normal.

Mystie, thanks a lot…because of your meddling with the time/space continuum, Caesar had to institute the idea of leap years back in 45BC, and now most years that can be divided evenly by 4 are leap years (Except century years unless they can be evenly divided by 400).

That means we've had to arrange about 500+ extra days! We're actually in October 2006!!

this is the consequence for my FOOLISH MEDDLING WITH TIME SPHERE!!! MUWHAWHAWHAWHA!!!! February 29th will last for-eh-VER!!!

That's what you think, TOMMY! Tosses smart, mutated groundhogs who proceed to destroy your Ttime sphere. Everyone knows only groundhogs are allowed to mess with the calendar and weather.

Hey mister DJ D, when you can, play either "Please Mr Gravedigger" by David Bowie, or "Man in the Long Black Coat" by Bob Dylan. While more suited for Hallowe'en, I think they're still pretty cool. I think the Bowie one can be found on a album called "Love You 'Til Tuesday."

Ok, everybody stop messing around with the time sphere this instant, and I mean it! I swear I'll turn this Delorean around RIGHT NOW! You'll not go to your grandmothers, we will not get ice cream, and we will not go hoverboard shopping. Mystie, if you don't keep it down back there, you won't be allowed to go to the Fish Under the Sea dance, or whatever the hell it's called.

Oh, and that reminds me. I didn't read your request for "Fearless" till after I was done with the show last night. Sorry about that, but I did play "Arena." I'll get on "Fearless" for you next week.

kingklash, I'm always up for playing some Bowie, and do from time to time. Consider your request granted for next week.

Hey everyone, I must apologize for being gone for so long. No, I haven't deployed again to that sandbox in the Middle East again…YET! I have been through one of those funks where the last thing I feel like doing is writing any posts. Now that we're two months into 2008, I must say that the promises or Resolutions I made for 2008 have not been coming true. Part of it is my laziness and part of it has been just not caring for a lot of stuff anymore.

Anyway, when I read Matt's latest blog about the ghost of "Three Men and a Baby", I had the thought in my mind even before I read the debunking part that there just HAD to be some explanation. I've seen the movie and never heard of this legend (much like the legend of the suicide on the Wizard of Oz set). What I thought the possibility is maybe director Leonard Nimoy accidentally got into the shot as he was directing. I just never thought of it being a ghost.

Speaking of Leonard Nimoy, I think the real creepiness is the fact that he and William Shatner are reprising their Captain Kirk/Mr. Spock roles for yet another Star Trek movie. I don't know what's creepier: seeing Leonard Nimoy at his age wear those hideous Vulcan ears, or Paramount trying to resurrect the dead Star Trek YET again!!!! Why can't they give the type of Trek movie I want to see? Wesley Crusher and Jake Sisko teaming up to bring Jake's father back from the "Prophets." I know, I have to be lame to even be thinking of a Trek movie with Wesley Crusher and Jake Sisko in it, but I was going along for the fact of it being a way to team up the Next Generation and DS9 crews, and of course it all has to be as a result of Q fucking around with members of the Federation. Come on, what's Trek without Q anyway?

Anyway, we're running out of time for the Shamrock Shake 2008 and when I was in Iraq last year, around this time I was CRAVING Shamrock Shakes! Unfortunetly, the state of Texas seems to be mute in knowing the shakes even exist and I've heard no discoveries on the Shamrock Shake site of neighboring states Oklahoma or Louisiana though someone was asking about them in Shreveport. I would love to make a road trip some weekend just so I can experience the Shamrock at least one more time in my life! Oh well, I made myself hungry so I think I will head to one of our many non-Shamrock Shakes McDs and get myself a Filet O' Fish sandwiches since it happens to be Friday! Boy would a Shamrock sound perfect with a Fish sandwich!!!! Okay, I'm finished rambling….for now!

Wait…so Shatner is doing the new Star Trek movie?? Rad! I think I read the other day that Sulu's in it too. I don't see why they can't just bring everybody back–the ones that are still alive anyway.

Speaking of which, I met James Doohan when I was a kid. He was at a food expo thing, along Ian "I'm 30 but swear I can play 18" Ziering. I didn't meet him though. Being a 12 year old somewhat nerdy boy at the time, meeting Scotty was a lot more cool than "Steve" from Beverly Hills 90210. I ended up getting Scotty's autograph and noticed when I shook his hand that he was missing most of one of his fingers. I found out years later that it was shot off in the war. Damn Nazis.

Actually, I don't know for sure if Shatner's in it. I do remember reading that him and Nimoy did agree upon the new picture, but I haven't had heard anything further. So, whether Shatner is doing it or not, I am not sure. Sorry to keep your hopes up there DJ.

Honestly I don't know how Shatner could be in this one, didn't he die in Generations? Unless they are basing it in the universe where he (Shatner) wrote the books resurrecting Kirk.

From what I heard, it's supposed to be a prequel focusing on Spock before he joined the Federation. I forget who plays the young Spock, but perhaps Nimoy as old Spock is telling a tale or something. Hmm, that still doesn't explain why Shatner would be in it because the Shatner of today looks NOTHING like the Shatner of old. Who knows, we'll just have to wait and see how it comes out when the movie is released (if it even gets made).

If it even gets made? They have released a trailer already… Clicky my name for it.

What sucks now is that my post won't register during Leap Day…but I did post during it.

What I did today? My school actually held a Comedy Roast for one of our favorite Admins…but she's not retiring, we just wanted to do it.

Also, starting with this post, my name will link to my "Real" blog rather than my Myspace one.