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		<title>By: squee4242</title>
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		<dc:creator>squee4242</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh Magic Toy I thought I&#039;d already killed this thread and had even given up checking for new posts until this morning. I&#039;m glad to read your opinions :) 

I thought Cloverfield even did one better than something like Signs (a movie I love) because it did just as good a job of giving us a look at the disaster from a personal level, while still being huge and epic like an ID4. It&#039;s interesting to me that so many people have singled out Hud&#039;s death as the moment that didn&#039;t work for them. Maybe it&#039;s because by that point in the movie I was kinda just looking forward to the end because I didn&#039;t want my cookies to get tossed, but I didn&#039;t find anything off-putting about it. 

Good point about the whole Blair Witch Project/found footage argument, too. Seems to me that calling Cloverfield a ripoff is like calling, I dunno, Cold Mountain a rip of Gone With the Wind. Everything&#039;s been done before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh Magic Toy I thought I&#8217;d already killed this thread and had even given up checking for new posts until this morning. I&#8217;m glad to read your opinions <img src='http://x-entertainment.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I thought Cloverfield even did one better than something like Signs (a movie I love) because it did just as good a job of giving us a look at the disaster from a personal level, while still being huge and epic like an ID4. It&#8217;s interesting to me that so many people have singled out Hud&#8217;s death as the moment that didn&#8217;t work for them. Maybe it&#8217;s because by that point in the movie I was kinda just looking forward to the end because I didn&#8217;t want my cookies to get tossed, but I didn&#8217;t find anything off-putting about it. </p>
<p>Good point about the whole Blair Witch Project/found footage argument, too. Seems to me that calling Cloverfield a ripoff is like calling, I dunno, Cold Mountain a rip of Gone With the Wind. Everything&#8217;s been done before.</p>
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		<title>By: Magic Toy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magic Toy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First new post in four days. Well, it looks like I missed the boat as far as being able to discuss the movie with my fellow X-E&#039;rs. I finally got around to checking out the movie tonight and I was not at all disappointed. Considering that many of the reviews I had seen online were negative (mind you, I had not clicked on this thread intentionally, to avoid spoilers), I was prepared for the worst. Thankfully I found it to be very enjoyable. Dare I say it... it was one of the more enjoyable movie experiences I have had in quite some time.

I have always appreciated &quot;disaster&quot; movies that take place on a smaller, more personal level, over the balls-out, grand-scale epics. I suppose in an effort to simplify that last statement, I could say that I preferred the film SIGNS over INDEPENDENCE DAY. I don&#039;t mean to say that I didn&#039;t like ID4, in fact it was quite the opposite. I did enjoy it as an experience - as a huge summer blockbuster.  It was fun. I just found more to connect to, and more scenes that emotionally hooked me, in the more low-key SIGNS. I don&#039;t want every detail spilled out to me. For me it is far scarier, and emotionally engaging, to have to fill in details on my own. In other words, what I create in my own mind is probably better, at least to me, that anything you could have shown me. That is where a film like CLOVERFIELD excels.

Well, it excels in that category in most every way except for the Hud death scene/monster reveal. Like others here have already stated that moment just didn&#039;t work. It was perhaps the first time in the movie where I grimaced and pulled back. For a moment I was reminded that I was watching a movie and that they were catering to the audience. I bit my tongue and remembered that they probably added a scene like this because most people would want a &quot;reveal shot&quot; of the beast. I hated it. In my opinion the film would have been better without it. If Hud truly needed to die before the final scene, which story-wise I can understand, then I am convinced there were far better ways to accomplish that without breaking the feel of the movie.

Even with that scene I still found the film to be highly effective. I had a great time watching it and can&#039;t wait to see it again.

Oh, and did I read in this thread that some people want to roast CLOVERFIELD for not being original because of THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT? Or maybe the better way to phrase it is &#039;why praise this film when blair witch did it first&#039;?

Well, TBWP did not do it first. The &quot;found footage&quot; from a disaster (or terrible event) did not begin with that 1999 film. In other words, please do not use that to bash CLOVERFIELD, while praising TBWP. Both are equally guilty for harvesting an idea that had been done far before their existence, just like most films from our lifetimes.

So yeah... good flick... better than I expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First new post in four days. Well, it looks like I missed the boat as far as being able to discuss the movie with my fellow X-E&#8217;rs. I finally got around to checking out the movie tonight and I was not at all disappointed. Considering that many of the reviews I had seen online were negative (mind you, I had not clicked on this thread intentionally, to avoid spoilers), I was prepared for the worst. Thankfully I found it to be very enjoyable. Dare I say it&#8230; it was one of the more enjoyable movie experiences I have had in quite some time.</p>
<p>I have always appreciated &#8220;disaster&#8221; movies that take place on a smaller, more personal level, over the balls-out, grand-scale epics. I suppose in an effort to simplify that last statement, I could say that I preferred the film SIGNS over INDEPENDENCE DAY. I don&#8217;t mean to say that I didn&#8217;t like ID4, in fact it was quite the opposite. I did enjoy it as an experience &#8211; as a huge summer blockbuster.  It was fun. I just found more to connect to, and more scenes that emotionally hooked me, in the more low-key SIGNS. I don&#8217;t want every detail spilled out to me. For me it is far scarier, and emotionally engaging, to have to fill in details on my own. In other words, what I create in my own mind is probably better, at least to me, that anything you could have shown me. That is where a film like CLOVERFIELD excels.</p>
<p>Well, it excels in that category in most every way except for the Hud death scene/monster reveal. Like others here have already stated that moment just didn&#8217;t work. It was perhaps the first time in the movie where I grimaced and pulled back. For a moment I was reminded that I was watching a movie and that they were catering to the audience. I bit my tongue and remembered that they probably added a scene like this because most people would want a &#8220;reveal shot&#8221; of the beast. I hated it. In my opinion the film would have been better without it. If Hud truly needed to die before the final scene, which story-wise I can understand, then I am convinced there were far better ways to accomplish that without breaking the feel of the movie.</p>
<p>Even with that scene I still found the film to be highly effective. I had a great time watching it and can&#8217;t wait to see it again.</p>
<p>Oh, and did I read in this thread that some people want to roast CLOVERFIELD for not being original because of THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT? Or maybe the better way to phrase it is &#8216;why praise this film when blair witch did it first&#8217;?</p>
<p>Well, TBWP did not do it first. The &#8220;found footage&#8221; from a disaster (or terrible event) did not begin with that 1999 film. In other words, please do not use that to bash CLOVERFIELD, while praising TBWP. Both are equally guilty for harvesting an idea that had been done far before their existence, just like most films from our lifetimes.</p>
<p>So yeah&#8230; good flick&#8230; better than I expected.</p>
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		<title>By: squee4242</title>
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		<dc:creator>squee4242</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love reading people&#039;s enthusiastic reviews. Look at all those exclamation points :D
DJ, you&#039;re most welcome for the LOST reminder. I&#039;m still not used to the idea of Thursdays being LOST Night instead of Wednesdays. Had to rock a little S3 marathon tonight in anticipation. Tomorrow is going to be a very long day.
I&#039;m also still adjusting to the idea that LOST and Cloverfield are part of the same universe (possibly?). I mean, the smoke monster can wreak some havoc, but Craphole Island isn&#039;t quite Manhattan after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love reading people&#8217;s enthusiastic reviews. Look at all those exclamation points <img src='http://x-entertainment.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
DJ, you&#8217;re most welcome for the LOST reminder. I&#8217;m still not used to the idea of Thursdays being LOST Night instead of Wednesdays. Had to rock a little S3 marathon tonight in anticipation. Tomorrow is going to be a very long day.<br />
I&#8217;m also still adjusting to the idea that LOST and Cloverfield are part of the same universe (possibly?). I mean, the smoke monster can wreak some havoc, but Craphole Island isn&#8217;t quite Manhattan after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw it tonight... 

And yeah, I completely agree about not caring about everyone else&#039;s opinions, cuz I feel like I was the only one who loved it! 

If you haven&#039;t seen it yet, just let yourself get sucked into the movie. It is like going to a haunted house :)

Great great great great great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw it tonight&#8230; </p>
<p>And yeah, I completely agree about not caring about everyone else&#8217;s opinions, cuz I feel like I was the only one who loved it! </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen it yet, just let yourself get sucked into the movie. It is like going to a haunted house <img src='http://x-entertainment.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Great great great great great!</p>
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		<title>By: Invader Norbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Invader Norbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally saw Cloverfield! Woo!

All I have to say is this: Wow. Just...wow. Freaky, fucking freaky. My eyes are completely open now. My heart&#039;s racing, and I&#039;m a guy who is squeamish at dead, bloody bodies, and there lots, especially exploding Marlene. Ick. 

I had a theory that the bite turns other people into the Mini-Monsters

Matt, you are 10000000% correct about everything in that movie. Hell, I didn&#039;t even notice the meteor at the end! Nice!

Now, on to Waiterbot&#039;s review!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally saw Cloverfield! Woo!</p>
<p>All I have to say is this: Wow. Just&#8230;wow. Freaky, fucking freaky. My eyes are completely open now. My heart&#8217;s racing, and I&#8217;m a guy who is squeamish at dead, bloody bodies, and there lots, especially exploding Marlene. Ick. </p>
<p>I had a theory that the bite turns other people into the Mini-Monsters</p>
<p>Matt, you are 10000000% correct about everything in that movie. Hell, I didn&#8217;t even notice the meteor at the end! Nice!</p>
<p>Now, on to Waiterbot&#8217;s review!</p>
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		<title>By: DJ D</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;squee&lt;/b&gt;, Wow, I didn&#039;t spot any of that, but on the other hand I wasn&#039;t really looking for any of it either. I totally forgot about a possible LOST connection and just got caught up in the story and action. I really want to see it a second time now to try to spot all that, and the splashdown at the end. I missed that too, as well as this supposed whispering after the credits. Wow, there&#039;s so much more going on to this movie than I was aware of. Makes me wish I had followed all the viral stuff beforehand too.

LOST comes back on Thursday??? What the? Where did the time go! Thanks for the reminder. I might have missed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>squee</b>, Wow, I didn&#8217;t spot any of that, but on the other hand I wasn&#8217;t really looking for any of it either. I totally forgot about a possible LOST connection and just got caught up in the story and action. I really want to see it a second time now to try to spot all that, and the splashdown at the end. I missed that too, as well as this supposed whispering after the credits. Wow, there&#8217;s so much more going on to this movie than I was aware of. Makes me wish I had followed all the viral stuff beforehand too.</p>
<p>LOST comes back on Thursday??? What the? Where did the time go! Thanks for the reminder. I might have missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: squee4242</title>
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		<dc:creator>squee4242</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dropped an email to a former coworker (and fellow LOST-lover) today who knows how crazy this month is just to mention how happy I was to finally see a LOST-shaped light at the end of the tunnel and see what she thought of Cloverfield, and she wrote back right away and told me she LOVED it. I was thrilled, because outside of you guys everybody I know has been a total hater so far :)   

So I gave in and started Googling for these alleged LOST references in Cloverfield. I can&#039;t attest for the validity of any of this stuff because a quick glance at the wiki site didn&#039;t confirm anything, but the biggie appears to be this: http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4517/vlcsnap6932188yp4.png
That could easily be a fake, but I saw it in a few different places. It&#039;s the Dharma logo! 
Some of the other things people are claiming are appearances by the numbers (which I was totally expecting) and from things like Geronimo Jackson posters and McCutcheon&#039;s scotch. Which is exactly the kind of stuff I was trying to watch for, but the camerawork was just too much for me I guess.
 
Fun little spot-the-crossover bits aside, I think the real connection between LOST and Cloverfield is the use of the flashback technique, though they did it totally differently. I&#039;ve been thinking about it a lot the last few days, because, you know, LOST comes back on Thursday (:!:) and I have no life. I knew about the flashbacks ahead of time for Cloverfield and I was wondering if they would follow the LOST formula, which is more or less: one or more people acting inscrutable in the present day, and then you have the flashbacks, and the revelations, and so on. But they changed it up and instead of using the flashbacks to expand the plot they dispatched all the suspense about what happened between Rob and Beth fairly quickly in the main timeline, and instead they used the flashbacks to remind us why Rob wasn&#039;t going to give up on trying to save her, which is just oh-so-romantic and bittersweet. But then of course they have to be extra awesome and sneak the Coney Island splashdown in there too. It was a really cool twist on what I was expecting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dropped an email to a former coworker (and fellow LOST-lover) today who knows how crazy this month is just to mention how happy I was to finally see a LOST-shaped light at the end of the tunnel and see what she thought of Cloverfield, and she wrote back right away and told me she LOVED it. I was thrilled, because outside of you guys everybody I know has been a total hater so far <img src='http://x-entertainment.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    </p>
<p>So I gave in and started Googling for these alleged LOST references in Cloverfield. I can&#8217;t attest for the validity of any of this stuff because a quick glance at the wiki site didn&#8217;t confirm anything, but the biggie appears to be this: <a href="http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4517/vlcsnap6932188yp4.png" rel="nofollow">http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4517/vlcsnap6932188yp4.png</a><br />
That could easily be a fake, but I saw it in a few different places. It&#8217;s the Dharma logo!<br />
Some of the other things people are claiming are appearances by the numbers (which I was totally expecting) and from things like Geronimo Jackson posters and McCutcheon&#8217;s scotch. Which is exactly the kind of stuff I was trying to watch for, but the camerawork was just too much for me I guess.</p>
<p>Fun little spot-the-crossover bits aside, I think the real connection between LOST and Cloverfield is the use of the flashback technique, though they did it totally differently. I&#8217;ve been thinking about it a lot the last few days, because, you know, LOST comes back on Thursday (:!:) and I have no life. I knew about the flashbacks ahead of time for Cloverfield and I was wondering if they would follow the LOST formula, which is more or less: one or more people acting inscrutable in the present day, and then you have the flashbacks, and the revelations, and so on. But they changed it up and instead of using the flashbacks to expand the plot they dispatched all the suspense about what happened between Rob and Beth fairly quickly in the main timeline, and instead they used the flashbacks to remind us why Rob wasn&#8217;t going to give up on trying to save her, which is just oh-so-romantic and bittersweet. But then of course they have to be extra awesome and sneak the Coney Island splashdown in there too. It was a really cool twist on what I was expecting.</p>
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