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01/20/2008: X-E loves Cloverfield!


WARNING: CLOVERFIELD SPOILERS BELOW AND IN COMMENTS. READ AT YOUR OWN CLOVERISK.

I adored it. Absolutely adored it. You know, it’s one of those things where you can hear the arguments “against” coming from a mile away, and thought you can’t really refute them, you just don’t care. An opinion is just that, and I say with all sincerity that Cloverfield is one of my favorite films in a long, long time, and among my favorite moviegoing experiences ever.

I could’ve given you this review last Tuesday, as I was fortunate enough to see an early press screening. I just really wanted to see it again before saying anything, because I went into that first viewing with sky-high expectations set from months of crazy hype, and because, frankly, seeing a movie like this in a relatively stuffy “press screening atmosphere” robbed it of some of its punch. Yesterday, I saw it with regular folks and without those prayers for the impossible created by months of daydreaming, and Christ, this may be the first movie since Burton’s Batman that I see more than twice in theaters.

Is it a perfect movie? Fuck no. It’s not even a revolutionary experience in the same way The Blair Witch Project was. But it’s damn effective: It’s fun, it’s funny, it’s scary, it’s brutal, it’s big, and it’s a bona fide experience. I think you’d have to go into this with an extremely contrary-prone mind to not at least leave feeling like you just experienced something. You can’t just “watch” Cloverfield.

What surprised me is how I liked it for entirely different reasons than I expected. I didn’t expect to really care about the characters as anything more than devices, but here I am, ready to proclaim Hud and Marlena as two of my favorite movie characters ever. And I can’t even explain why. I really can’t. But something about both of those characters makes me know that I’m going to be forever loyal to the actors that played them, even if the remainder of their careers are filled with bad choices and awful roles. I’ll forever root for them.


Course, Cloverfield is going to be weighed by the effectiveness of the monster and the destruction said monster caused. Overall, I was totally impressed by the creature. I’m one of the many thousands of fans who spent months trying to come up with a rough estimation of what the monster was going to look like, and it was absolutely 100% different from any of the popular theories. Truth be told, it’s nearly impossible to describe what you saw without the aid of photos. (Photos and clips have already made their way online, but I don’t want to be that kind of spoiler guy.)

The best monster scenes are the ones where we don’t get an amazingly clear view of it, and fortunately, those account for all but one of the creature’s appearances. When they finally make good on their vow to show it clearly near the end of the film, you can sense that they’re doing it begrudgingly: It looks cool and badass, but the overall effect is nothing compared to earlier shots of the semi-obscured beast lumbering around/past/straight through buildings. During the scene where our heroes have to cross roofs between damaged skyscrapers, Hud points the camera down the long avenue, and we see the monster more or less in full, plodding down the streets as jets bomb it to all fuck. The shot was just gorgeous. Not like I wasn’t going to anyway, but I’d totally get the DVD just for the opportunity to screencap that shot and make it my desktop wallpaper for the next year.

As for the mini-monsters (the “parasites” that drop off the big guy), viewer opinion seems to be split. I’d agree that the spider-like things could’ve stood to be a bit less derivative of some of wacky creatures we’ve already seen in other movies and video games, but then, we don’t know the whole story. It could be that they’re totally natural sea parasites mutated by drawing blood from this possibly-alien creature, and that’s a fucking awesome concept. The beauty about Cloverfield even at this late stage is that so much stuff is left wide open for interpretation. I know that a lot of people wish they were given more solid answers, but I’m so glad we weren’t. When you know all there is to know, there isn’t much left to think about. Right now, there is, and this film’s lore is a heck of a lot of fun to think about.

I got off-track: The mini-monsters were a welcome addition. As insane as the main creature was, New York City is a big place: A second threat that could turn up anywhere was almost a necessity. The smaller creatures may have seemed more pestilent than horrific, but considering that their bites cause people to explode, they really upped the film’s surrealistic nature.

Not knowing exactly what happened at the end was…well, it was exactly what the movie called for. Aside from the added benefit of being able to leave the movie feeling as though the monster was still destroying everything in sight, the door is open for future stories, whether they come by way of a sequel, comics or some screwy viral website. It’s left us wanting to know more, but in a way that will help avoid needing to retcon anything we’ve already seen or heard.

I’ve been reading a ton of fan reviews, and for all the people that loved it, there are plenty who hated it. I can understand why someone might feel a bit let down: The hype was so tremendous, and if I was being honest, all of the trailers and promos pointed to a movie with a far scarier tone than Cloverfield actually had. But isn’t it more fair to judge the film based on what we were given, rather than on what we might’ve been teased with? When I force myself to do that, I am beyond satisfied. I can’t wait to see it again, and I’m salivating over the prospects of what the future may hold. The film has done tremendous business so far, so we’re definitely poised to get more of the story in some form.

For now, I’ll just have fun theorizing about what’s what and what’s not, and imagining horrible and awesome events every time I go into work and look up at the big buildings. I believe that a film that can serve as such a fantasy catalyst is a different kind of success, and any faults I can find with Cloverfield are totally eradicated by the fact that it’s one of the few pieces of entertainment in recent memory that’s really got me dreaming again.

I could go on and on in circles and ovals, but I’ll stop here…except for a few small points about the movie, after the jump. Just want to point out a couple of things you may have missed or been confused about if you saw Cloverfield without any pre or post research…

More than one giant monster?
There’s been a lot of speculation that more than a single monster attacked, explaining its ability to turn up in vastly different locations from one seeming moment to the next, and the fact that it seemed to look a little bit different in each of the scenes it was in. I don’t personally believe that this was the case, but I do think that it may end up being the case later. If/when there is a sequel — even if it’s simply another group’s tape of the same events — I’d put money on there being more than one monster. Intentionally or not, they’ve laid the groundwork for it, and it was really fun to watch the film for a second time with that perspective in mind. There’s a lot in support of it even in spite of the evidence against.

Did you see it?
At the very end of the film, when it cuts to Rob and Beth in Coney Island, the establishing shot of the ocean hides a subtle secret. Look close at the boat at the bottom right of the screen, and you’ll notice something shoot down and splash into the water, like a meteor. It’s extremely subtle: I didn’t see it in my first viewing, and would not have noticed it the second time if I hadn’t read about it first.

Without going into too much detail on the viral campaign, this object could be one of four things. The first option: It’s the monster itself arriving on earth a month before its grand debut in NYC. Option 2: It’s a piece of a satellite crashing into the ocean, which could be nothing more than a nod to fans who’ve followed the viral stuff. Option 3: It’s a piece of the satellite with the monster attached to it; a satisfying answer both for those who followed the campaign and those who didn’t. Option 4: A meaningless red herring.

If the true answer was obvious, we wouldn’t be discussing it, so don’t bet on anyone coming forward with a tell-all just yet. As with some of the other debatable plot points, I think they’ve done a terrific job of covering their tracks so that any future answers given won’t necessarily contradict what we’ve already seen.


Poor Marlena
If you’ve followed Cloverfield, this will come as no surprise, but if you just saw the movie on a whim, you might’ve missed the point. Though some people suspect that the “infected” Marlena was shot behind the curtain as a matter of “containment” during the scene in the makeshift hospital full of Hazmat suits, the silhouette you saw actually depicts Marlena’s stomach rapidly expanding before exploding.

So, the running theory is that being bit by one of the spider-esque creatures delivers a foreign toxin which reacts very badly with human physiology, turning what might’ve normally been a poisonous death sentence into something far more visual. There’s some speculation that being bit causes a person to give birth to another mini-monster, but there’s no solid proof to support that, nor was there enough commotion behind the curtain to suggest that a mini-monster leapt from Marlena’s stomach to attack anyone. Still, if any sequels or extended lore dared to add that in as fact, we couldn’t really contradict it with the vague answers we received.

Shhhhhh.
At the end of the credits, there’s a small bit of whispering. If you play that whisper backwards, it sounds like Rob (or possibly someone else) saying, “it’s still alive.” Yay!

I’m curious to hear what you guys thought. And yes, you’re allowed to hate the film…if you really want to.


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Discussion Thread: 126 comments

I just got back from the movie, so here are my immediate post-viewing thoughts and feelings. I WILL GIVE MAJOR SPOILERS, INCLUDING THE ENDING, SO CONSIDER THIS YOUR WARNING!!!

First off, anyone who says they’ve never seen this monster before is wrong. You saw it in your nightmares when you were a 5 years old. Honestly, J.J. Abrams seems to have mined the collective unconscious for this monster, because it is viscerally terrifying, in ways that King Kong, Godzilla and other big bad guys aren’t. I think I can take a fairly good crack at describing it too. I think it’s half-fish, half-insect. If I had to compare it to two real-life animals, I’d say it has the back and tail of a sting ray and the face, eyes and legs of a Praying Mantis, with huge fucking teeth thrown in for good measure. For the record, I think the little guys are baby versions: they look just the big one, particularly the teeth and the legs.

I’d give the movie as a whole a solid “B”. It doesn’t get an A because of the ending. Not the whole third act, just the parts after the copter crash. I just didn’t like it. We didn’t really need to see the monster eat Hud, so up close. I’d seen enough of the monster before that, particularly right before the copter goes down, to know what it looks like, if that was their purpose in doing that scene. Plus, why would a monster that size bother with a tiny human? Something that big doesn’t need one human for sustenance. The whole moment just felt disingenuous to me. If they felt they needed to kill off Hud, they should have had the monster step on him or kick him aside or something, but eating/biting him just didn’t make sense to me, other than to just give the audience a thrill. The worst part though was the way Rob and Beth died, like trapped rats. It bummed me out. I don’t want to leave a fun, “big scary monster” movie bummed out. It was certainly not the typical Hollywood ending, in a movie that was certainly atypical for Hollywood. But it all just felt like the wrong notes to end on for me, those last 3 or 4 scenes. The movie would have been so much better if they’d just have cut to the credits, or the Coney Island scene, after the copter crash. That way, your last images are the teeth lunging and the copter spinning, and you’re left with a more ambiguous ending. But maybe that would have been too “No Country for Old Men”.

My favorite moment in the film was when the group was in the alley and suddenly all hell breaks lose. It was one second nothing, then BAM!, the monster comes, the army comes and suddenly it’s apocalypse. And we get our first good look at the monster. Very cool moment.

As for whether there was more than one monster, the jury is definitely still out. I agree, it did seem to change from time to time. Sometimes it was on two legs, sometimes on four, but it was still the same general monster. I just don’t think it would have gone from the Statue of Liberty, to land (the building falls over very shortly after the Liberty head lands), to the Brooklyn Bridge and then back to land. Doesn’t make sense. I think there might have been one monster in the water and one on land. Or there was some other factor at work. Maybe it teleports? :)

Besides just being a monster movie, it was also, quite obviously, a big giant Terrorism metaphor. Those evocations of 9/11 were clearly no mistake. But I guess that makes sense; as a society, we’ve always used monster/horror movies to work out our fears of real life horrors. Of course it’s also akin, because the more we see of the monster, the less we really know about it and the more terrifying it becomes.

Overall, though, yeah, it was an interesting filmgoing experience, seeing the monster movie from a first-person point of view. I definitely felt like “I’ve seen this before, but this time it’s different”, right when the group emerged from the building and the crowd started running and screaming. Definitely try to see this one in the theaters if you can, you feel like you’re right there with them the whole time. Oh, and if you’re looking for the splash in the water at the end Matt mentioned, it’s not right by the boat, it’s a little ways to the left. I almost missed it ’cause I was staring at the boat.

Ghosted by Wilkins @ 01/22/2008 8:35 PM EST


ok, here’s the thing.

This movie was scary as f*uk! It was!

and I finally know something I’ve wanted to know for a long long time.

This movie must have felt like what it felt like when audiences first saw King Kong in the 30’s or Godzilla in the 50’s.

Awesome, just awesom.

Ghosted by spooky @ 01/23/2008 12:29 AM EST


In interviews, the director said that the monster was confused and going through separation anxiety. Theres also been rumor of it’s mother. I don’t know how a creature and its mother could have both been involved in a satellite crash incident.

And if something crashed by the shore and something was awakened near new york why did the oil drilling station in the middle of the ocean sink. It seems weird that it would start in New York, move to the middle of the sea, then go back to New York.

Ghosted by Dan @ 01/23/2008 3:00 AM EST


JLAJRC, I can only speak for myself, but I get into the anticipation when it comes to certain movies (and shows), and by the time they finally show up if they’re halfway decent, I’m happy. So then when something turns out as awesome as Cloverfield, after having looked forward to it so much, I really go bananas. Hence my continuing obsession with Grindhouse, come to think of it.
I’m not really comparing Clover to any of the great/classic monster movies when I say it’s awesome, though. I don’t even know that I’m familiar with many…I’m enjoying it more based on the larger, easy to obsess over universe it’s going on in, and part of what I think makes it such a good movie is what Wilkins mentioned. I hate boiling everything down to the idea of “the post-9/11 world” but I thought it definitely had a modern perspective going on in terms of what is scary, disaster and how people react to it. I’d compare it more to something like Children of Men or maybe even 28 Days Later in that respect.
So speaking of Kong, I keep meaning to mention this: anybody know why I’m still finding new junk from the Peter Jackson movie? I understand why I still see stuff at the 99¢ store, I figured it just never sold elsewhere and made it’s way to being discounted. But the regular grocery store just put in a vending machine giving out tiny little Kong figures too. I’m not complaining, I’m happy to have a mini Jack Black and Adrien Brody for my desk at work. I just thought it was weird considering the movie came out two years ago.

Ghosted by squee4242 @ 01/23/2008 3:17 AM EST


lol, an article from a local news company. I found this linked from CNN.

http://www.koco.com/news/15112533/detail.html

I did watch 4 people get up and leave, my girlfriend also felt a bit sick during the movie, though she wasn’t feeling 100% when we headed out of the house anyway.

Ghosted by nork @ 01/23/2008 10:48 AM EST


Wilkins I agree that the scene where Hud was eaten/biten could have been left out. It just felt a little bit like a compromise to keep people from complainig about watching for almost two hours and not seeing the monster.

However I disagree about the Rob and Beth part. First I think its still up in the air if they are dead or not. Also since the movie was going for realism to make you feel like this was actually happening thats what would likely happen a tape thats found later probably wouldn’t be from survivors, expecially people who didn’t evacuate quickly.

I would only give Cloverfield a “B” if this was it. But to me it really feels like just the first part of an epic tale and does a great job to see the tone for what could become a great overall story and thats why I would give it an A. You could a movie from the same night but a different camera that was found to explain a little more, you could have a movie that explains the aftermath, you could have a movie that explains the origin. Thats what a movie should do IMHO, leave you wanting more, leave you wanting to stay in that world or wondering/imaninging yourself what would happen. Its just so refreshing when most movies follow the same formula of all the loose ends conveniently tying themselves off in the last scene and cut to black.

Ghosted by Rob @ 01/23/2008 1:14 PM EST


Rob, to your point, the director more or less said (albeit it in a very roundabout way) that they realized they needed to clearly show the monster pretty late in the game. My theory is that they didn’t intend to have that scene from the start, and both its scripting and special effecting were last in line for both processes.

I agree with them to a degree, because if people were upset about the “non-ending,” we can imagine how upset they’d be if they never really got a good look at the monster. Still, I wish they didn’t do it. It looks too polished, and the whole eating-Hud thing came off as pretty unnatural. Plus (and this has been a major point of debate), no matter what “forced perspective” argument a person could muster, I will always believe that the monster from that scene looked to be 1/4th the size of the monster in the other scenes. Seriously, it looked Rancor-sized.

Ghosted by Matt @ 01/23/2008 1:33 PM EST


There’s a point to this ramble:
So, if you guys go search CardCaptor Loki’s account on Youtube (that’s me XD), there’s a video called Traversing the Cornmaze of Reality. Its a lil video I made about a local cornmaze to a Silent Hill 4 song. So I took my digital camera and used the movie function to video it. I made myself sick trying to edit the damn thing cuz I didn’t have a tripod or better equipment.

A shaking camera always looks worse than you think cuz even the slightest twitch looks like an earthquake. Look at the advent calendar; Matt said he went through hundreds of pix just for the precious few that made it on due to focus and blurriness, and those are stills.

So: Hud’s camera work was actually normal, and sometimes really good during “down times”. As for being cheap, an animation company still has to GET the monster into the shots in addition to making things explode/fall down, casting off parasites, etc. I am an animation major and if you want to call that cheap, so be it, but you CANNOT, CANNOT say that its, by any stretch of the imagination, EASY to do all that w/ a camera that jumpy. I’m insulted to think someone would think the effort that goes into it is bumpkis because its a civillian POV w/ a handy cam.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. Bad acting’s one thing, but animation is a whole other bag of beans. ^^;;

Ghosted by Dio and Lex @ 01/23/2008 1:52 PM EST


True Matt, but since their are theories that the mini-monsters are the same as the large monster adn that there was more then one monster the monster that ate Hud might not be the same as the larger one ripping the head off the statue of liberty.

also Matt, which sites would you recommened for those who would like to obsess more about the movie.

Ghosted by Rob @ 01/23/2008 3:50 PM EST


This is what I wrote almost as soon as I got home from seeing the movie:

WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP

The movie was a fucking blast, I still feel giddy.

I set my expectations really low, expecting an overwrought shaky-cam mess filled with unlikable characters and rare glimpses of the monster. Well, I was wrong, because the movie delivers the God damn goods. This isn’t a cinematic masterpiece, but if you’re looking to see a huge fucking monster rape the shit out of Manhattan, you won’t be disappointed.

My only complaint is that the movie wasn’t 8 hours long, because I want to see more. I want to follow another group of people and see how they react and try to survive, I want to see even more of the monster, I want to see more of the military fighting the monster (I loved the scene where they first come across the soliders firing rockets and rolling the tank down the street), I want to see more news reports… I just want more of everything, because I love shit like this.

I was looking forward to hearing your impressions, Matt, and I’m happy to see that we agreed on nearly all the same points. I especially liked what you said about Marlena and Hud, I actually just finished searching on IMDb to see what other stuff the actress who play Marlena has done.

I am dying to see it at least one more time in theaters, but yeah, this is the first movie since Lord of the Rings to spark my imagination and leave me giddy to see it 5 more times.

Ghosted by Nick @ 01/23/2008 6:00 PM EST


Could someone provide me an actual picture of the monster?

Ghosted by dohopoki @ 01/23/2008 8:34 PM EST


I saw it last night and the only word I could use to describe the film is visceral. Once the monster starts its attack you’re pulled in a taken along for one hell of a ride.

I will definitely have to see it again before it leaves the theaters (which I’m sure will be a while). Though I do fear that a 2nd viewing will have less of an impact.

Ghosted by King Artie @ 01/24/2008 1:02 AM EST


Doho: The monster is all over YouTube — just search “cloverfield monster” and organize by “date added.” You’ll mostly get to see the one big close-up, but the better shots are harder to find.

Ghosted by Matt @ 01/24/2008 10:36 AM EST


Loved it, would see it again (on Dramamine).

Ghosted by doubleofive @ 01/25/2008 12:28 PM EST


The more I read about Cloverfield, the more I want to see it again.
I love the ambiguity of it, and all these little things that have popped up just make the lore more compelling. I’m glad they didn’t hammer the viewer over the head with everything, it trusted the audience to be intelligent.

Ghosted by Chazbot @ 01/25/2008 4:45 PM EST


Chazbot, I feel the same way: I can’t wait to go see it again, but I don’t have anybody I can convince to go with me. I don’t have a problem with seeing movies by myself on occasion, but for some reason I really don’t want to in this case. If anybody in the LA area feels like going…not today though, I’m going to Knott’s Berry Farm. Hey, how cool would a Cloverfield ride be?

Ghosted by squee4242 @ 01/26/2008 2:04 PM EST


Just saw it this morning. Holy crap. I don’t even know where to start. If I had to sum it up, the only word I can think of is INTENSE. I can see some of the criticism, and understand where some of it’s coming from, but at the end of the day, I don’t care. I thought it was amazing. There are a few things I want to discuss though.

A couple of things I thought were odd:

-The Statue of Liberty head–is it really that small? Every other movie I’ve seen (and I’m mostly thinking of Ghosbuters 2) depicted it to be so big you could walk up inside of it and look out of the crown. It didn’t look near that big here. Can some of you New Yorkers shed some light on this.

Matt’s point about the “Hud eating” shot at the end. I was thinking the same thing. The monster looked a good deal smaller there than it did in the rest of the movie. Whether this supports the theory that there could have been more than one monster, I don’t know, but I noticed that right off the bat.

I wish now that I had kept up with all the viral stuff. Until reading all the other comments just now, I was completely clueless about all the other J.J. Abrams connections, and I think the movie would have been a little more enjoyable had I known all that ahead of time. Also, I didn’t pick up on any LOST references either. Anybody know what/where they were?

As far as the performances, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I think it did a great job of crafting really likeable characters and I really felt every death and mourned it somewhat. I also like the fact that none of them were big names, something that absolutely needs to happen more often in horror movies. I was convinced that they weren’t going to get to his girlfriend in time and was a little bummed when it turned out she was alive, but ultimately satisfied at their demise in the end. I’m so tired of Hollywood movies that let the two most sympathic, heroic characters make it in the end and have everything tied up in a nice big bow. The fact that it ended up utterly hopeless in the end and that it was left wide open for interpretation, a sequel, and a lot of debate, is just the way I like it. I’m all for fewer happy endings in movies these days. Also, something else happened that is rare for me. I started out hating a character and grew to like him. Of course, I’m talking about Hud. I actually couldn’t wait for him to bite it early on. I thought he was so incredibly obnoxious, but his comments had me laughing toward the end. The gorehound in me would like to have seen more gore in his death though. As much as I sympathized with the characters though, I was kind of rooting for the monster. Especially at the end, just before it attacked the helicopter and was really getting bombed, I actually felt pretty sorry for it.

Which brings me to Marlene. Loved her from the second she was on the screen. Hated to see her go, but man, what a cool way to go out! Definitely didn’t see that one coming!

Just one more thought though. I can absoutely buy the idea of a giant monster attacking New York. Got not problems with that at all. Where I had to suspend my disbelief though is the fact that Hud insisted on hanging on to that dang camera the whole time. Of course, if he hadn’t we wouldn’t have had a movie, but I’m sorry, as soon as that shit went down on the bridge, I’m running. Screw the camera. I’m hauling ass. Also, I know this was PG13, but I think that if this stuff was going down for real, my language would have been just a tad more colorful than anything I heard in the movie.

Oh, and I’m officially jazzed for the new Star Trek thing now. That Enterprise is looking good. There’s such a good chance for this to be really good or terribly bad. I hope they don’t blow it. No Shatner though and that sucks. I’ll have to let it slide.

Ghosted by DJ D @ 01/27/2008 4:45 AM EST


Finally saw this last night. Holy crap, I can’t wait for the DVD. Didn’t follow the hype, had a rough idea what to expect, but still had a GREAT time.

When the credits started to roll, my fiancee turned to me and said “Did you see that??” I said “No. What?” Turns out, she saw the object splashing down into the water in the final shot. I didn’t even see it!

Now I can finally watch Waiterbot’s review.

Ghosted by Jon @ 01/27/2008 11:38 PM EST


I finally got to see Cloverfield yesterday. I hadn’t paid much attention to any of the hype…but it sounded like a good movie.

And it was.

I just wish for once I had forced my daughter to be willing to sit further back. We sat, as usual, right near the front of the theater.

I’ve never had a real problem with motion sickness, but I did yesterday. I never put the two together, the way I felt with the motion of the camera…I was trying to figure out what I had eaten that was bothering me so much. She saw I was in sad shape…then said it was the camera motion. I closed my eyes and that helped.

Good movie, just sat too close to the screen.

Ghosted by Susan @ 01/28/2008 4:53 PM EST


I dropped an email to a former coworker (and fellow LOST-lover) today who knows how crazy this month is just to mention how happy I was to finally see a LOST-shaped light at the end of the tunnel and see what she thought of Cloverfield, and she wrote back right away and told me she LOVED it. I was thrilled, because outside of you guys everybody I know has been a total hater so far :)

So I gave in and started Googling for these alleged LOST references in Cloverfield. I can’t attest for the validity of any of this stuff because a quick glance at the wiki site didn’t confirm anything, but the biggie appears to be this: http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4517/vlcsnap6932188yp4.png
That could easily be a fake, but I saw it in a few different places. It’s the Dharma logo!
Some of the other things people are claiming are appearances by the numbers (which I was totally expecting) and from things like Geronimo Jackson posters and McCutcheon’s scotch. Which is exactly the kind of stuff I was trying to watch for, but the camerawork was just too much for me I guess.

Fun little spot-the-crossover bits aside, I think the real connection between LOST and Cloverfield is the use of the flashback technique, though they did it totally differently. I’ve been thinking about it a lot the last few days, because, you know, LOST comes back on Thursday (:!:) and I have no life. I knew about the flashbacks ahead of time for Cloverfield and I was wondering if they would follow the LOST formula, which is more or less: one or more people acting inscrutable in the present day, and then you have the flashbacks, and the revelations, and so on. But they changed it up and instead of using the flashbacks to expand the plot they dispatched all the suspense about what happened between Rob and Beth fairly quickly in the main timeline, and instead they used the flashbacks to remind us why Rob wasn’t going to give up on trying to save her, which is just oh-so-romantic and bittersweet. But then of course they have to be extra awesome and sneak the Coney Island splashdown in there too. It was a really cool twist on what I was expecting.

Ghosted by squee4242 @ 01/29/2008 2:33 AM EST


squee, Wow, I didn’t spot any of that, but on the other hand I wasn’t really looking for any of it either. I totally forgot about a possible LOST connection and just got caught up in the story and action. I really want to see it a second time now to try to spot all that, and the splashdown at the end. I missed that too, as well as this supposed whispering after the credits. Wow, there’s so much more going on to this movie than I was aware of. Makes me wish I had followed all the viral stuff beforehand too.

LOST comes back on Thursday??? What the? Where did the time go! Thanks for the reminder. I might have missed it.

Ghosted by DJ D @ 01/29/2008 5:10 AM EST


I finally saw Cloverfield! Woo!

All I have to say is this: Wow. Just…wow. Freaky, fucking freaky. My eyes are completely open now. My heart’s racing, and I’m a guy who is squeamish at dead, bloody bodies, and there lots, especially exploding Marlene. Ick.

I had a theory that the bite turns other people into the Mini-Monsters

Matt, you are 10000000% correct about everything in that movie. Hell, I didn’t even notice the meteor at the end! Nice!

Now, on to Waiterbot’s review!

Ghosted by Invader Norbert @ 01/30/2008 10:26 PM EST


Saw it tonight…

And yeah, I completely agree about not caring about everyone else’s opinions, cuz I feel like I was the only one who loved it!

If you haven’t seen it yet, just let yourself get sucked into the movie. It is like going to a haunted house :)

Great great great great great!

Ghosted by Woody @ 01/30/2008 11:49 PM EST


I love reading people’s enthusiastic reviews. Look at all those exclamation points :D
DJ, you’re most welcome for the LOST reminder. I’m still not used to the idea of Thursdays being LOST Night instead of Wednesdays. Had to rock a little S3 marathon tonight in anticipation. Tomorrow is going to be a very long day.
I’m also still adjusting to the idea that LOST and Cloverfield are part of the same universe (possibly?). I mean, the smoke monster can wreak some havoc, but Craphole Island isn’t quite Manhattan after all.

Ghosted by squee4242 @ 01/31/2008 3:55 AM EST


First new post in four days. Well, it looks like I missed the boat as far as being able to discuss the movie with my fellow X-E’rs. I finally got around to checking out the movie tonight and I was not at all disappointed. Considering that many of the reviews I had seen online were negative (mind you, I had not clicked on this thread intentionally, to avoid spoilers), I was prepared for the worst. Thankfully I found it to be very enjoyable. Dare I say it… it was one of the more enjoyable movie experiences I have had in quite some time.

I have always appreciated “disaster” movies that take place on a smaller, more personal level, over the balls-out, grand-scale epics. I suppose in an effort to simplify that last statement, I could say that I preferred the film SIGNS over INDEPENDENCE DAY. I don’t mean to say that I didn’t like ID4, in fact it was quite the opposite. I did enjoy it as an experience – as a huge summer blockbuster. It was fun. I just found more to connect to, and more scenes that emotionally hooked me, in the more low-key SIGNS. I don’t want every detail spilled out to me. For me it is far scarier, and emotionally engaging, to have to fill in details on my own. In other words, what I create in my own mind is probably better, at least to me, that anything you could have shown me. That is where a film like CLOVERFIELD excels.

Well, it excels in that category in most every way except for the Hud death scene/monster reveal. Like others here have already stated that moment just didn’t work. It was perhaps the first time in the movie where I grimaced and pulled back. For a moment I was reminded that I was watching a movie and that they were catering to the audience. I bit my tongue and remembered that they probably added a scene like this because most people would want a “reveal shot” of the beast. I hated it. In my opinion the film would have been better without it. If Hud truly needed to die before the final scene, which story-wise I can understand, then I am convinced there were far better ways to accomplish that without breaking the feel of the movie.

Even with that scene I still found the film to be highly effective. I had a great time watching it and can’t wait to see it again.

Oh, and did I read in this thread that some people want to roast CLOVERFIELD for not being original because of THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT? Or maybe the better way to phrase it is ‘why praise this film when blair witch did it first’?

Well, TBWP did not do it first. The “found footage” from a disaster (or terrible event) did not begin with that 1999 film. In other words, please do not use that to bash CLOVERFIELD, while praising TBWP. Both are equally guilty for harvesting an idea that had been done far before their existence, just like most films from our lifetimes.

So yeah… good flick… better than I expected.

Ghosted by Magic Toy @ 02/05/2008 1:51 AM EST


Heh Magic Toy I thought I’d already killed this thread and had even given up checking for new posts until this morning. I’m glad to read your opinions :)

I thought Cloverfield even did one better than something like Signs (a movie I love) because it did just as good a job of giving us a look at the disaster from a personal level, while still being huge and epic like an ID4. It’s interesting to me that so many people have singled out Hud’s death as the moment that didn’t work for them. Maybe it’s because by that point in the movie I was kinda just looking forward to the end because I didn’t want my cookies to get tossed, but I didn’t find anything off-putting about it.

Good point about the whole Blair Witch Project/found footage argument, too. Seems to me that calling Cloverfield a ripoff is like calling, I dunno, Cold Mountain a rip of Gone With the Wind. Everything’s been done before.

Ghosted by squee4242 @ 02/06/2008 11:43 AM EST


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