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05/19/2005: The Revenge of the Sith Discussion Thread…

Consider the comments field for this entry your discussion thread for Revenge of the Sith. Those wanting to avoid spoilers should be careful while scanning through. I’ll be seeing the flick tonight (passed on the midnight opener knowing that it’d require taking today off), and I can’t wait. Three and a half stars from Ebert, fifty and a half stars from people who know who played the Wampa in ESB. Can’t wait can’t wait can’t wait. Share your thoughts, anticipations and questions in the comments.

EDIT: Saw it last night. Didn’t leave the theater knocked out, but it’s grown on me overnight. Will have more to say on Sunday. Oh, those DVD contests? I got a shitload of entries, so let’s make the cutoff Saturday, 11:59 PM for entries. Also, since I got waaaay more entries than I was anticipating (likely in the realm of 700 or so), I asked if the PR comp would mind supplying two of each set. So, there will be four winners total.

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Well as can be said for all the prequels this one had great effects and bad acting. Of course most of the bad acting came from Anakin than anyone else. I do agree that a lot of the loose ends were tied up in a rushed kinda "what the fuck?" type of manner. The action was by far the best of all the movies. General Grievous wasn’t quite what i had envisioned him. A coughing robot??? I thought he’d be more bad ass. It was funny seeing Ian McDiarmid become a bad ass swordsman. I mean when he did that twisting jump and starting mowing down those jedi in the scene where they were trying to arrest him i almost shit my pants!! I give him kudos for being the best actor in this one cuz he really freaked me out (although I think he gave up his little "secret" to Anakin way too easily). Not much can be said about Padme for her acting was atrocious but I did like the first sighting of the famous hairstyle that Leia had in Star Wars and it was also interesting how Anakin approached her in a similar manner about ruling the galaxy as he did in the Empire Strikes Back with Luke (minus the I am your father line of course) Well enough of my yammering. I’m sure i’ve left out stuff but I must be going…….

Ghosted by phunqsauce @ 05/20/2005 12:13 PM EDT

it was fun

Ghosted by me @ 05/20/2005 1:29 PM EDT

I thought it was a very great movie. Really, one’s just being silly if one doesn’t like it.

Ghosted by Crassadon @ 05/20/2005 1:59 PM EDT

Not to offend anyone but I personally thought the last two Star Wars movies were nothing short of terrible. So my expectations were extremely low for part 3. I couldn’t understand for the life of me why anyone thought this one would be any different than the last 2. To my shock and amazment I actually liked this one. I thoight it was a fun movie. There was certainly some bad dialog and a little over (or under) acting. But there was nothing about it that really ruined it for me. It seems like everyone who expected it to be the greatest movie ever made was dissapointed. Funny how so many people had opposite reactions from what they expected to have.

Ghosted by Picaresque @ 05/20/2005 2:02 PM EDT

phunqsauce, watch Clone Wars to see how trully bad ass Grevious is and why he was coughing in ep 3.

Ghosted by BrightNoah @ 05/20/2005 2:09 PM EDT

Browsing through previous comments I was pleased to find others who didn’t think this movie was so great.

On a PURELY ENTERTAINMENT level, without any thought of the other movies, or analysis of Lucas’ plots, I would agree that this movie is "good".

HOWEVER (scroll down to skip rant, otherwise read on for, what I feel, are valid points)…

Someone already mentioned it, but there were many aspects of the plot that were way over-forced, or just put in for "continuity’s sake". For example, Bail Organa talking to, "Captain Antilles, I’m placing these droids into your service. Have the protocol droid’s mind wiped." A practically pointless exchange, aside from explaining R2’s and C3PO’s exchange with Luke in ANH about who their true owner is. There were other examples such as this one which were thrown in for whatever purpose, and never completely explained (why was threepios mind wiped?) but i won’t go into that any further.

The lack of any…not even the SLIGHTEST BIT…on-screen chemistry between Hayden and Natalie P. is sooooo tiresome and horrid to watch. There was more chemistry between NP and Ewan McGregor in the seen where Obi-Wan is checking on her after she’s knocked unconscious!!!

I will admit that i liked Hayden’s character and acting more in this movie than the last. I credit at least half of his bad acting to bad writing. For example, when Padme says, "Hold me like you did back on Naboo." Gimme a break!!!

Someone mentioned before how they managed to ruin Darth Vader. "Noooooooooooo!!!" and the stumbling Nazi Frankenstein walk off of the op table. [shakes head] how could they do that to LORD VADER!?!? *sigh*

The plot advancement was choppy and ill-explained. I really felt like the whole thing wasn’t very well scripted.

Padme’s pregnancy advances quite rapidly. She’s not showing at the beginning, and by (almost) the end, she’s quite round…though it seemed as if the entire span of the movie was really only over the course of a few weeks…but that’s how it felt to me, not based off of any sound proof i can recall and present here.

Lucas…either give your ships artificial gravity or don’t. I don’t think a space cruiser that has been hit will "fall down" in space??? Maybe it’s the gravitational pull or something… i dunno… i won’t go more into it than that.

Greivous was a disappointment. Though i’ve only seen Part 1 of the clone wars. Maybe after i see part 2 i’ll understand more of why he was such a wuss in ep 3.

The last thing I’ll mention is the special effects. They were special. They were effects. They were numerous, and mostly very cool. However, as i watched the movie, i kept thinking "cool special effects". Initially that may not sound like a bad thing, but take this into account: When i watched the original trilogy, i don’t remember thinking "cool special effects"…i remember thinking "cool spaceships" etc. What I’m basically trying to say is that the effects were all too "cartoon-y" for me. There was a certain element of realism that was lacking. I understand that Lucas admitted that this was actually done intentionally to "re-inspire the old serial comics/novels" or some such nonsense. Again, not knocking them so much as making an observation.

Maybe my impression will change once i go see it again…maybe not. though, i’ll always be a bigger fan of the trilogy i grew up with.

I’ll end my post by repeating what i told my buddy as we walked out of the theater…

"I was entertained by the movie, but I didn’t really *like* it."

Ghosted by bad karma @ 05/20/2005 2:11 PM EDT

I thought this movie ruled. It is the most emotionally charged, violent, and badass star wars movie yet (and i say yet, as theres still plenty that can be done with the story). It was a 2 hour nonstop asskick fest from the opening space battle to the institution of order 66 to the way that anakin gets lit up at the end. it was insane. We knew that darth vader was a bad guy, but we never knew how much of a sick bastard he really was. Darth vader is fucked up!!

on a side note, my friend said that the fall of the republic wouldve been averted if the jedi offered a better health plan. anakin prolly just couldve gotten some counciling and maybe some prescription meds for his bad dreams.

Ghosted by Jeremiah @ 05/20/2005 2:36 PM EDT

Yoda vs. Imperial Guards. ’nuff said.

Ghosted by Kidd Video @ 05/20/2005 2:52 PM EDT

Favorite SW parodies that I can dredge up out of hand, in no anywhich standing:
SpaceBalls
Hardware Wars
The episode of Hanna-Barbera’s Popeye show with Bluto as a Vader-type
Thumb Wars ("You must be… the Cry-Baby.")
Eric’s dream from "That 70’s Show"
Star Wars Holiday Special (to quote Leela, "When you say ‘Special’…..?)

Ghosted by kingklash @ 05/20/2005 4:10 PM EDT

For Thumb Wars, I think the best is "Touch your tongue to mine. You know, to make it all official."

Ghosted by jhnnywalkr @ 05/20/2005 4:17 PM EDT

Whoo hoo! Matt does it again doubling our chances to win Nick DVDS!

All Hail Lord Matt.

Then again, my chance at winning is about as good as that Giacomo winning the second leg of the VISA Triple Crown on Saturday.

Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz

Ghosted by EMajorwitz @ 05/20/2005 6:22 PM EDT

Hey Matt,

STAR WARS + BURGER KING=ALWAYS?

Has Star Wars always been tied to Burger King? I seem to recall my cousin having those sweet glasses from the OT from BK.

Why not venture forth with McDonalds too?

I so wish I would have bought all of their Darth Vaders on base here. My mission wasn’t to collect them all, but I’m just missing Luke, the plushies, and all of the vehicles. I’m sure they are offered for $99 a pop on eBay at this point.

Here in Germany, they are giving away different toys off base. I guess I will stop in and have a beer to get one.

Semper Fi,
Erik Majorwitz

Ghosted by EMajorwitz @ 05/20/2005 6:25 PM EDT

King, how about the Muppet Babies parody? And the "Pigs In Space" Muppet Show sketch. I need a copy of that episode! Eric’s dream from 70’s Show was good, but I’m too disgusted with the recent developments on that show to feel charitable towards it right now. Chappelle’s Show did a great one too: "Ooh! About it tell me!"
Here’s another question. Not to dump on Hayden, cause I think he did a passing job in Ep. 2 and he really grew on me a bit more in 3, but obviously there are some doubts about the caliber of his acting. Who would you have rather seen in the roles? I know this is a rather obvious suggestion coming from me but I kept picturing Nick Stahl as Anakin during ROS. Of course his look doesn’t really mesh with the look that Bach’s face has but we’ve stretched a lot of continuity worse than that. I love Portman’s look and can’t really picture anybody else as Padme, but there were times where she did succumb to that green screen weirdness. I would never think of anybody but Ewan McGregor as Kenobi, though. I think he’s definitely the high point of all the prequels and I really enjoyed the fact that he got a meatier role this time around.

Ghosted by squee4242 @ 05/20/2005 8:02 PM EDT

Just to add on to squee’s post if I may, there were 2 big Obi Wan elements I enjoyed. First, his saber skills, which were so good in I, were reinstated after taking a dive in II. Secondly, I liked the way he watched Anakin burn and was neither pained nor repulsed. "You were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them" looks corny but Ewan read it just right.

Ghosted by The Manimal @ 05/20/2005 8:19 PM EDT

The movie was fuckin’ awesome. Only real complaint is I wish some scenes/characters lasted longer. But, I think it’s the best way to end the Saga. Badass all the way.

Ghosted by John @ 05/20/2005 10:06 PM EDT

SPOILERS!

Let me start of by saying yes, this film takes a nice piss on the previous two prequels, and comes closer to being in the league of the original trilogy, and Lucas almost, almost, redeems himself. There were a few problems, namely, Lucas deciding on trying to make this Tombstone Episode II. First off, General Grevious has freakin’ turbuculosous like hes Doc Holliday or something (Though I guess thats because of the events of the clone wars cartoons) and then the highly touted lightsaber duel in which he wields four of them was actually nothing great. In fact, most of the highly-anticipated duels weren’t much. Then you have Obi-Wan, who decides to chase him down in a half horse, half iguana that has turkey feathers on his head. Lucas, what were you smoking when you designed this creature? And then, Mace Windu takes on the evil Palpatine in one of the most wooden duels in the entire saga. For a fight that was so touted, especially by Jackson who plays Windu, it was quite disapointing. Then, the moment I really had been waiting for, to see Palpatine truly turn into the Emperor and get his screwed up face and go completely evil, what happens? It was laughable, I mean literally. I don’t know about the rest of the theater, but me and a select few of my friends could not stop laughing whenever they showed Palpatine and his two-forehead, coked out insomniac eyed face. Or when he was in essence doing force-lighting to himself while screaming "I’m an old man! Flush me downt he toilet!" Then the moment that truly said "bullshit", was the moment everyone had been waiting for, the moment Darth Vader reveals himself in the armor/suit we all remember. Oh, what dialog…"Where’s Padame?"…"Is she safe?"…"Am I a homosexual, Master?"…and the moment that I laughed at, but wanted to cry at, the moment Vader went complete sissy and cryed out "NNNNOOO!!!". I was half expecting him to fall to his knees, arms stretched out, rain pouring on him, ala Shawshank Redemption. Though, despite all my bitching, there are good things in the film, and it was better than both Episode I and II. The Anakin/Obi-Wan duel was fairly well done, and when Anakin and other Club 66 members decide to whack out all the Jedi, ala Al Pacino and his family whacking out all enemies in the Godfather Part I, it was fairly cool, though they should have actually shown the ‘younglings’ getting what they deserve. The best is when a female Jedi gets shot to death, and we slowly Zoom Out, as she is continually shot for no apparent reason. Probably the best thing in this film was Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi, he really felt like Alec Guiness from the original trilogy. Overall, I’d say I thought the film was decent, and if it wasn’t for some of the dialog and cowboy scenes, it would have been much, much better.

Ghosted by Aaron @ 05/21/2005 12:19 PM EDT

Taco Bell had some star wars tie ins

Ghosted by Taco Bell @ 05/21/2005 1:16 AM EDT

I saw the movie tonight.

I thought it was awesome. No plot holes left out, and it really gives a sense of completion to the entire triology.

Oh and kingklash: this statement is false: "Kenobi was wrong about Anakin being The Chosen One"

First of all, it was Qui-Gon Jinn who said Anakin was the chosen one.

Secondly…Anakin DOES bring balance to the force….he kills all the jedi, so in the RotJ final scene, there is just the two Sith and Luke. Then, Anakin kills the Emporer, so there is balance: Luke and his Father…Good and Evil…

Also, I loved all the parallels with the OT that were present in this film…Especially the Count dooko fight at the very beggining of the film. Exactly like the RotJ fight, complete with the Emporer watching from his throne. Anakin, however, is unlike Luke in that he kills Palpatine’s apprentice…and thus becomes the new apprentice.

Ghosted by Cameron T. @ 05/21/2005 1:17 AM EDT

Well, Cameron. I totally disagree with your opinion. ROTS doesn’t deserve to be the final installment of Star Wars. Not in the least. The story had potential for being good, but it was not carried out properly.

And in a way, Anakin kills Palpatine’s apprentice twice. Darth Vader leaves Anakin when he sides with Luke in ROTJ. Thus, he "kills" Darth Vader and becomes the Jedi he once was.

Ghosted by Warx @ 05/21/2005 1:30 AM EDT

Well, my GF and I loved it. The first hour or so was a bit blah. Felt Episode 2 caliber. But then it really picked up and I had joygasms through many points.

Some critisize the "NOOOOOOO!" I liked the idea… but James Earl Jones coulda put more feeling in the scream. As for the Frankenstein walk, I went "WHA?!" but after thinking a second, you see him look at his legs and remember… he’s just been given some android legs. Taking his first steps WOULD be awkward.

Then there are a couple of plotholes (that I don’t think ruined the movie, just gave my girlfriend and I something to discuss, and sorry if these were mentioned above).

First off, in Jedi, when Luke asks Leia about her mother and she talks about knowing her a bit, that always led us to believe she was talking about THEIR mother, yet Padme dies in Sith. I guess you could cover the hole by saying in Jedi, Leia was refering to her adopted mother, Bail’s wife, who might have died.

Also, in Empire, Kenobi says "He’s our last hope." then Yoda "reveils" to Kenobi. "No… there is another."
But in Sith, Kenobi Witnessed Leia’s birth. OOPSIE!!

In truth, I have no beef with Sith. I think Lucas made up for the horror that was Phantom Menace.

The only painful part of Sith to me was Padme’s Acting. But I always thought she was extremely wooden and dull.

I’m glad she’s dead.

Ghosted by Blaine @ 05/21/2005 2:30 AM EDT

Oh yeah, and for those who complain about the "Where’s Padme" lines etc. being bad. The black helmet and cape don’t make Vader. At that point, he’s basically still Anakin, wearing the armor. He’d be worried about Padme. He’d wonder what’s going on. Then we get the cheesey "NOOOOO!" And the Vader we meet in the New Hope is Vader AFTER this. After about 20 years of pain, suffering, and basically having nothing else to care about except serving the Emperor. So AFTER that scene people hate is when he gets BAD.

Ghosted by Blaine @ 05/21/2005 2:37 AM EDT

OPENED WORLDWIDE ON MAY 19TH, EXCEPT FOR JAPAN AND KOREA. I AM SO UPSET. I will only be able to see it May 26th, so I am not only out of the loop, but I feel the need to avoid the blog for fear of spoliers! I am posting this comment since I want to belong to the excitement of it all, but I am afraid to do more than scan the previous comments….Stupid Korea.

Ghosted by Muppet Baby @ 05/21/2005 4:42 AM EDT

You know I was enjoying the film up until that Windu/Palpatine/Anakin scene. That was just plain retarded. Yeah there were a few people laughing during that. I being one of them. But it was more of a "what the hell am I witnessing? Is this really happening?? I might just cry out of horror!!" kind of laugh. There were some pretty unforgivable flaws and moments of the film. Some things were just better left to my childhood imagination. But hey at least I got to see that kick ass trailer for Narnia!! Woo-hoo!!

Ghosted by evadrad @ 05/21/2005 7:38 AM EDT

A point that nobody seems to be bringing up, and maybe got overlooked is when Palpatine is telling Anakin about HIS master, he mentions the ability to create life out of the metachlorians. Are they hinting or suggesting that Palpatine might have had a hand in Anakin’s creation??

Ghosted by vinegartoast @ 05/21/2005 7:49 AM EDT

Did anybody else walk away with the impression a lot had been cut out? Most star wars flicks seem to be around 2 hours 20 mins, at 2 hours 13 minutes I dunno it just seems like they might’ve sliced some things up. In the book certain scenes were longer and I can’t help but assume the author wouldn’t take it upon himself to take a two minute scene and turn it into six.

*SPOILER*

Also a theory behind padme’s "lack of will to live," perhaps it had something to do with anakins anguish that was going on simultaneously, some sort of connection through the force, she felt his pain because he was concentrated on her…but then again he might’ve just been concentrated on being majorly effed up and having droids poke him with metal things.

And the scene where he ‘wakes up’ as vader was awesome, I thought the dialog was well done especially when he got wicked pissed and started crushing stuff with the force, then that whole noooooo, ruined it. Hell even just an unintelligeable holler would be better than that.

*END SPOILER ALERT*

Lucas is good at coming up with ideas for stuff. He really shouldn’t be directing things. Or publicly stating that the plot lines for Episodes I & II were "thin and only about 20% story, it was mostly doodling." You don’t doodle with movies half the world has been waiting to see. You doodle with howard the duck 2.

Ghosted by Former A1C Pete @ 05/21/2005 9:42 AM EDT

Yeah, it seemed cut to bits.

*spoilers*

When Yoda is meditating at the end, on that asteroid base or whatever, it’s pretty obvious that scene was the tail end of an earlier planned Liam Neeson appearance. It’s a real shame that wasn’t left in (or even shot?) Yoda talking about it to Ob1 is an incredibly frustrating scene without it.

Ghosted by Jakke @ 05/21/2005 10:02 AM EDT

Ain’t It Cool News’ Vern is slowly becoming my favorite reviewer:
http://www.geocities.com/outlawvern/ReviewsS.html#starwars3
"By the way I got a theory here about part 1 or 2 or whichever it was, when they got the E.T.s in it. As all trekkies know there is a scene in one of the star warses where they’re in the senate, and in the corner of the screen you look closely using the pause technology and what you got is a delegation of the E.T. aliens from the movie E.T. Well at the time I thought this was sort of an ‘in’ type joke but now that I’ve had five or six years to really seriously contemplate this scene I realized what’s REALLY going on here in my opinion. You see E.T. – not just any E.T. but the specific character of E.T. we all know and love from the movie E.T. – he used to be a space senator. But that was a long time ago in a galaxy really, really far away or what have you. And the senate was dissolved when the empire was created. So now it’s years later, 1982 or whenever, and the poor glowing bastard is flying around picking god damn flowers for a job. It’s pathetic. So what I figure is, E.T. is always complaining about it. ‘I used to be Senator E.T. We flew around on platforms. I knew chewbaccas and everybody. I was like a god to girl E.T.s. And now this is my life, sneaking around at night picking flowers. I’m a fuckin migrant worker.’ Eventually these other flower pickers are gonna be sick of the senator’s bullshit and take matters into their own long alien glowing fingers. What I’m saying here friends is the beginning of E.T. was no god damn accident. What I’m saying is, they left that fucker there for a reason. They WANTED Senator E.T. to be stranded on earth. Because otherwise they had fly back with him. And you know what happened though, my man learned his lesson by going through one of them inner journeys. He hit rock bottom. He learned how to party, getting drunk, dressing up like a girl, etc. He flew on a bike, he died and came back, he turned on his heart light, all because of the magic of a young boy’s dream. And now hopefully he’s gonna be a little bit less of a prick. It’s like Scrooge in space. Only on earth.

Anyway E.T.’s not in this one that I noticed so fuck him. The point is, STAR WARS 3 is a pretty good space movie in my opinion."

Ghosted by ME @ 05/21/2005 10:36 AM EDT

bad_karma:

- Bail had Antilles wipe C-3PO’s memory so he could never divulge the secret that Padme’s children survived and where they are living. R2 was allowed to keep his memories since nobody can understand him and he remembered where Ben was living in Episode IV.
This is also why Padme’s body had a false pregnant belly during her funeral on Naboo – to throw the Empire’s agents off, to make them (and thus Vader) think their child died with her.

- The Battle of Coruscant was fought within the orbit of the planet. The Invisible Hand (Grievious’s ship) lost power to its engines briefly, causing it to go down, and when it was shot to hell by the Republic, it sucuumbed to the gravity of the planet, owing to its lack of engines and proximity.

As for why Padme died – think of it this way: Her husband has betrayed his Order, murdered his masters and fellows, committed henious atrocities, stated his desire to rule to the galaxy, he tried to choke her to death, she, a passionate and idealistic believer in democracy, has seen everything she has fought for in the Republic shattered when it was declared an autocratic Empire. That is a hell of alot for somebody to take.

As for Vader yellow ‘NOOO!’, well, he did all the crap I mentioned up their in the belief he could save his wife, only to end up nearly killing her in blind anger. It is the bitter irony of the Dark Side: you give everything and you end up as nothing (and, judging from what we’ve seen previously, you die a horrible death).

And I don’t think Anakin brought balance to the Force by both culling the Jedi and killing Palpatine, that’s almost saying eliminating the jedi is a good thing, and its rather at odds given its a Jedi prophecy.

Ghosted by Fit For Natalie @ 05/21/2005 10:43 AM EDT

Did anyone else see a commercial on the Toon Disney channel for a new episode of Power Rangers with the Ninja Turtles in it? Or am I going crazy?

Ghosted by Meat Popsicle @ 05/21/2005 10:45 AM EDT

Seeing it tomorrow.

Wee!

Ghosted by Fetus @ 05/21/2005 2:05 PM EDT

Quick ’splaination, Meat Pop:
MMPR-Saban produced
TMNT Next Mutation-Saban produced
Result-Queen Astronema hypnotizes the Turtles into fighting the Power Rangers, or as it is rightly known: BLASPHEMY!!!!
As some magazine complained a few years ago, Why does Saban take good properties (specifically the Super Sentai shows) and alters them into something like Saved By The Bell in Space?

Ghosted by kingklash @ 05/21/2005 2:07 PM EDT

Now that I think of it, Saved By The Bell In Space sounds like a great idea. "Hey, look! Screech in zero-g!"

Ghosted by kingklash @ 05/21/2005 2:19 PM EDT

The younglings! XD

Seriously, though, good stuff. Only complaints are: Wookies for no reason. Chewbacca for no reason. They cut the Qui-gon Jin scene.

Ghosted by JDavis @ 05/21/2005 2:32 PM EDT

Fit for Natalie, I like the stuff you said…have you read the novelization or are you just great at picking up stuff? I bought the Phantom Menace novel but not Attack of the Clones or the newest. I wonder if it’s worth it…I already know I’m going to succumb to the urge to dig out my old Han Solo trilogy.
I don’t think anybody has mentioned seeing the Falcon during one of the shots of Coruscant, was it just my imagination?
Our local theater has bad prints, I guess, because every show has a bunch of scratches and hiccups. GL would be livid. Anyway, I feel bad for the poor people working there because they’ve had to hand out a ton of replacement tickets. That didn’t stop me from getting a pair of my own though. I’m going to see it again now.

Ghosted by squee4242 @ 05/21/2005 3:53 PM EDT

Check out FARK for the story of ROS suddenly turning Japanese. There were a few comments about bad prints showing up across the country. One person who works at a theater had a print missing an entire emulsion layer.
Alas, the thread turned into a "I know Japanese better than you" slap party, though. Gave a me a chance to relate a incident my Ma told me once about people trying to speak languages they weren’t good at.

Ghosted by kingklash @ 05/21/2005 4:53 PM EDT

"Also, in Empire, Kenobi says "He’s our last hope." then Yoda "reveils" to Kenobi. "No… there is another."
But in Sith, Kenobi Witnessed Leia’s birth. OOPSIE!!"

Accccctually, he’s not saying that he doesn’t know about Luke’s siter, because in ROTJ he tells Luke he has a sister. Kenobi knew all along, but Kenobi wasn’t expecting Leia to be as strong in the force as Luke is, he had hopes for Luke in defeating Vader and the Emperor, not Leia.

Ghosted by John @ 05/21/2005 4:58 PM EDT

Anyone else wonder, with all of the other bits slapped in just for the fans, why Anakin didn’t say to Padme "Together we could rule the galaxy AS HUSBAND AND WIFE"? I almost fell out of my chair when that chance was passed up!

Ghosted by Zebez @ 05/21/2005 7:44 PM EDT

Just wanted to chime in two of the things I had to think about after I saw the movie that seem to still be puzzling a few people: Pointless Wookie scenes, and Grievous only added to the film as another badass for someone to kill.

Well, as I figure it anyway, these two parts serve the same purpose: To distract Obi-Wan and Yoda. Palpatine didn’t want either around while he finally took hold of Anakin, what with the huge affect Obi has on his apprentice, and how Yoda would have likely seen it comming and possibly been able to stop Anakin. So he sends Grievous off to some remote planet knowing the council will send Obi, and siezes the moment while Yoda is off on Kashhyyk (or whatever it is.)

That’s the conclusion I came to anyway…most of you probably picked up on it while you were watching, though.

Ghosted by Tyler (Unless there's already a Tyler around here.) @ 05/21/2005 9:54 PM EDT

Saw it twice this weekend with different groups of friends. I really enjoyed it. I couldn’t help but mark out when the green Lucasfilm logo glows and then the music starts up. Reminds me of my childhood. =)

Ghosted by Jeff Mack @ 05/21/2005 11:37 PM EDT

shit matt, 700 entries? i guess you are more popular than you thought O.o

Ghosted by stormy @ 05/22/2005 1:11 AM EDT

"A point that nobody seems to be bringing up, and maybe got overlooked is when Palpatine is telling Anakin about HIS master, he mentions the ability to create life out of the metachlorians. Are they hinting or suggesting that Palpatine might have had a hand in Anakin’s creation??

Posted by vinegartoast"

Yeah, my girlfriend and I picke dup on that the second Palpatine mentioned "creating life" and we spend lots of time gushing over it. Though, we took it more that there was a chance that It was Darth Plaugus who impregnated Shmi Skywalker. THOUGH, th idea taht it might have been Palpatine really brings in some intereting concepts, as in, could he have been planning on having Anakin as his apprentice ALL Anakin’s life? I’ll have to shoot this idea to her.

Ghosted by Blaine @ 05/22/2005 1:41 AM EDT

The whole Darth Plagus thing is interesting. The idea that he could have been responsible for Anakin’s birth is extremely interesting and brings up thoughts that maybe Anakin was destined for Sith-dom. It also brings up some nature vs nurture ideas as well.

Ghosted by cog @ 05/22/2005 11:43 AM EDT

Technically I guess you could say Anakin did kill Padme when he decided to do the backseat rhumba with her. If she had never gotten pregnant she would’ve lived…..

"oh anakin……you’re breaking my heart!" (said in the worst attempt to over act)

Oh yeah, I liked the "excorsist" style voice change for palpatine when fighting mace windu. I thought his head would start spinning and spewing split pea soup. But seriously when i first witnessed that moment i didn’t know whether to laugh hysterically or run and hide. And I’m sorry it seemed like palpatine had a feeling of sexual pleasure after he tossed Mace Windu out the window. Too hilarious!!!!

Ghosted by phunqsauce @ 05/22/2005 3:06 PM EDT

I enjoyed it. I just have some things to talk a bout. YOUNGLINGS!? Why not just go off and called them children or something. To me the wookies seemed pretty point less. People wanted wookies so Lucas just put them in without much care. Personally I would have preferred a new alien species.

Ghosted by Mr. @ 05/22/2005 10:24 PM EDT

oh ya, and 4 different people lost one or more hands

Ghosted by Mr. @ 05/22/2005 10:26 PM EDT

Episode 3 was pretty good.

Definitely better than Episodes 1 and 2. The dialogue ranged from good to "what the hell were you thinking?", but that’s mainly because Lucas can’t write a love story to save his life.

Don’t get me wrong, I really liked the movie. I just don’t understand why Lucas thinks his viewers are idiots. So much of the movie felt like… how do I put this… it felt like Lucas felt he needed to outright state everything because you wouldn’t get it if he implied it.

Somewhat ham-fisted but, overall, enjoyable. That’s how I would describe Episode 3.

WHY DID GREVIOUS HAVE A RUSSIAN ACCENT?

And I will never buy a drink at a movie every again. I had to piss though 2/3rds of the movie but I was afraid to leave because I might miss something. Turns out I could have left during one of those awful Anakin/Padme scenes and missed nothing.

Ghosted by Night_Trekker @ 05/23/2005 12:48 PM EDT

squee4242: I haven’t read the novelisation, but some bits and pieces of it from forum posts, and through logical deduction based upon the emotions of the scene and recurring themes in Star Wars (both canon and Expanded Universe), particularly how the Sith always gets what’s coming to them = a horrible death.

Night_Trekker: The problem is a SHITLOAD of people still need things to be spelt out for them, they don’t understand what Lucas implies, and for some people ROTS didn’t SPELL IT OUT WORD FOR WORD, like why Padme died.

Ghosted by Fit For Natalie @ 05/23/2005 3:57 AM EDT

OPENED WORLDWIDE EXCEPT JAPAN AND KOREA….STUPID KOREA. So, I have been going insane reading all the hype and not being able to see it in cinema until May 26th! My roomate bought an illegal copy on the streets of Seoulm though, and I watched the first glorious 40 minutes, in bad quality. It was SO hard to turn it off, but I want to watch it in its entirety in theaters….stupid, stupid Korea- why??

To tide myself over, I read the novelization on Ep. II- Attack of the Clones….it sucked. Awful writing.

Ghosted by Muppet Baby @ 05/23/2005 4:47 AM EDT

Yeah, there was definitely a lot of last minute editing (Mon Mothma anyone?).
As for the love story and being spoon fed exposition, these are fair criticisms. Bottom line, Lucas is a visual storyteller. I think that is why CLONE WARS was so good: minimal dialogue. There was never any real reason for Padme and Anakin to fall in love. I can see him liking her but her motivation was very contrived.

Ghosted by The Manimal @ 05/23/2005 5:07 AM EDT

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