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Alien Vs. Predator + Italian Thumb Wrestling!

Caught Alien Vs. Predator the other night, and wow...seriously, that's the worst flick I've seen in theaters for a loooong while. I've waited a few days before commenting in hopes that the feeling would subside a bit, but nope -- that was one terrible movie. Keep in mind, I'm far from married from either of the franchises at play here. I like them both, but I'm never going to seek out posters or anything. I probably had much lower expectations than most, but the film still somehow failed to come close to the barrel of shit I'd anticipated. First off, the level of exposition in AvP is absurd. It wouldn't be honest for me to say that neither Pred nor Alien did anything for the first half of the movie, but absolutely truthful to say that they did almost nothing. For kill-fodder human characters with such half-assedly defined personalities and motives, they sure spent a lot of time letting us get to know them.

When we finally get to the central battleground -- an ancient pyramid maze buried under ice in a cold penguiny place, the film gets so literally dark that you can't follow anything that's happening. I'm serious -- there's minute-long action stretches where all you see are vague flashes of light and obscured objects moving about. The CG fight scenes down in that pyramid have some cool moments, but they're outweighed by the negatives: in what should be one of the most money money money scenes of the movie -- and you should be able to guess which -- there's long portions where the CG is so dark and haphazard that you're totally taken out of the movie. At one point, the battling monsters seemed to form an almost perfectly spherical, marbleized bowling ball.

You've probably heard about this PG-13 thing, and how the movie was trimmed by the studio to fit that rating. Frankly, for a PG-13 flick, it's still pretty gory and violent. I still heard cursewords, I still saw people impaled, blood splattered and creatures bursting through chests...I'm sure the movie suffered from that greedy late trim, but it just seems impossible that this alone is what caused AvP's problems.

There was a weird "twist" near the movie's climax -- it's probably been the biggest focus of every complaint thrown at the film. I won't spoil it, but only mention it to say that I really didn't mind it. Sure, it was fucking stupid, but at least it was somewhat interesting when compared to the dreck beforehand. More so that anything else, the twist was hilarious. Seems like the filmmakers cut their losses a long time ago on trying to create a film all the diehards would enjoy -- it was the kind of plot development that seemed to almost by design make longtime fans of these franchises hate the story. I wish I could say more, but let's leave it at this: after seeing all of the unintentional comedy provided by that infamous twist, I'm certain that there was a much bigger market for an outright AvP spoof film than the serious effort thrown at us. It's potentially the funniest movie you'll see this year.

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Posted by Matt on 08/22/2004. E-mail me!



Discussion Thread: 114 comments

I have this strange attraction to the Predator. mmm… yummy.

Chestnuts roasted by leanne @ 08/24/2004 11:53 AM


For AvP my expectations were so low that i was able to enjoy the movie. Basically its what I expected, although the bits of comedy provided were a nice touch. There were also a few cool moments.

There was one shot during the flashback scene that i liked. Where a Predator is holding up his spear with an Alien head on it while a ship flys over head. It just looked really cool.

Chestnuts roasted by Mr Person @ 08/24/2004 1:17 PM


Too bad the movie sucked. It seems this was one franchise which could have benefited more if the writer came up with new material instead of trying to squeeze in stuff from the comcic (compared to, you know, abortions like Batman and Robin or LXG). Glad I didn’t watch it. Oh, and don’t worry Matt, I liked Mortal Kombat too! (seriously, Cary Hiroyuki Tagawa rules too much)

Seriously, they should make it up to all of us by releasing an official statement apologizing for hiring Paul Anderson. Oh, oh , and they should release a candy bar shaped up to look like, uhm, you know. That’s gonna be my new favorite food/toy, next to Undertaker Ice Cream.

Just saying it out loud makes me hungry. Pralien. uhmmmm.

Chestnuts roasted by plsburydoughboy @ 08/24/2004 2:43 PM


I love the Alien movies, but am ashamed to admit I have never seen Predator….therefore, I decided I can’t see this movie until I watch Predator. Now, I don’t know if I want to though…

Chestnuts roasted by Muppet Baby @ 08/24/2004 2:49 PM


I saw a bootleg copy of the Avp premiere taped in a movie theater, and listening too all the die hard fans clap, laugh and ooh n ahh throughout the movie sortof helped the whole experience a bit. Its funny how we people work in crouds, one person laughs, we all laugh. God.. are we really like sheep?

Chestnuts roasted by KBC @ 08/24/2004 2:53 PM


This ones for MuppetBaby.

Go rent both predator movies. theyre worth it. And if you look closely enough in Predator 2 youll see an alien skull aboard the Predator ship.
Perhaps that one scene connected the two monsters that made them what they are today??? ehh.. bitter enemies.

Chestnuts roasted by KBC @ 08/24/2004 2:56 PM


Bite me, plsburydoughboy! LXG kicked seven kinds of ass. Anyway, I felt that the stupid plotline can be forgiven, if only somebody would explain to me why that chick’s arm didn’t melt off when she stuck it in that alien’s head. And why the Predator, who had to have known he was impregnated, decided not to commit nuclear hari kari, but to try to save his own pansy ass by dropping his gauntlet and heading for the surface, thereby endangering our entire race, and potentially his own as well.

Chestnuts roasted by Darc_humor @ 08/24/2004 4:32 PM


Oh well. At least now we know who Bishop was modeled after.

Chestnuts roasted by Darc_humor @ 08/24/2004 4:33 PM


I saw LXG on the plane twice and LXG stunk up the place, I cannot belive anyone like that movie. Freddy vs Jason was alright and it got bad reviews so I thought to myself after reading the reviews for AVP that maybe just maybe Aliens vs Predator would be just as good but I was wrong. I’m not saying that AVP was the worst movie ever for example LXG, AVP was just okay.

Chestnuts roasted by LXG "stinks" @ 08/24/2004 6:00 PM


Dude, Matt, do a review of that episode of Sliders where they go to Amish World and find that Colin dude!

Chestnuts roasted by AngeFaitore @ 08/24/2004 9:33 PM


Darc_humor: The Bishop/Weyland Connection was made in alien 3, He shows up to try to give Ripley a "Friendly face" so she’ll forget about saving the human race and give him her lol bundle o’ joy..

Aside: Im assuming the Weyland that was in AvP was a great grand pappy to the Weyland who actually knows about the Aliens and is, you know.. alive in the Alien movies!

Otherwise it must have been some wacky ST:TNG rip in time crap eh?

Just curious, plot holes suck :P

Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 08/24/2004 10:03 PM


"The answer to why Aliens attacked the incubated predator was that the alien inside the Predator was not sanctified by the Aliens because it was essentially a different species due to the DNA reflex the Alien’s possess. Okay, I guess I could go with that. "

I will, in Alien 3 the Alien that was running around came from a dog, so that arguement is already contradicted.

Though in fairness, they said in Alien 3 that then Alien didn’t attack because Ripley was infected by a Queen, the Predator wasn’t. Still, what a dolt.

I am willing to belive the studio are to blame though, as I did like Resident Evil.

Chestnuts roasted by RobGrayson @ 08/24/2004 11:56 PM


You paid $10.00 to see that? Man tickets here are only $6.50

Chestnuts roasted by Bubba @ 08/25/2004 1:34 AM


Maybe they will go the Evil Dead route and remake A v P into an actual horror spoof that turns out to be pretty kick ass. While we’re melding sci-fi and horror flicks as of late anyway, let’s throw Ash in there. A v P v A, one of the A’s have bleed acid, the other is armed with a chainsaw and witty catchphrases.

Chestnuts roasted by Croliss @ 08/25/2004 10:17 AM


In my town, the theater is only 3.00! and AvP is showing right now, too!

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 08/25/2004 12:30 PM


This is for you bad reviewers and critics, expecting something godsent…Paul W.S. Anderson is a friggin idiot…nuff said…now to revew the movie.

I loved this movie, mainly because I wasnt expecting anything on some grand level like most people were. They were like, "I rather it be like this, how about like that? or What is the point of this movie?" You see, you have to know the material, as I’ve taken the time to read many reviews online…most just DONT get it. Why? Because they rather use derogatory lingo for the things they arent familiar with from the movies or novels…or just dont care enough to REMEMBER it. I have been waiting for 14yrs for this friggin movie and it was NOT what I expected it to be…lets just say it was on par with my expectations…sorry folks, you wont get a hole in one rating from me.

I will go over things step by step to how this movie…in a Paul W.S. Anderson way…to how it works…

The movie wasnt even 2hrs…but it seemed that long to me. My brain was on RECORD when the fight first started and it was great. I’m REALLY tired at how people are comparing FvJ (Freddy Vs. Jason) to it…ya, people wanted THOSE kind of fight scenes like that were TOTAL crap…ya, the ones that last for god knows how long, end of story. The fight was short and sweet, THATS IT!

Now for for the Predator….the predator is the greatest warrior race in the galaxy in the movies…they killed armed humans because they pose as a challenge to them. A lot of people assume preds hate our race but that is totally untrue…your armed, and ready to combat…you are one dead fucker. Certain exceptions are allowable, such as pregnancy or disease…this would not prove a worthy challenge…and DONT dare a pred after it has sparred you if you value your life…or however long you HAVE left, or whatever. Preds DO give gifts as a sign of courtesy for ones true bravery in battle…Danny Glover recieved that old 1700′s gun from the leader of the ship after killing that pred. You see, the predator considers the alien to be one of the most deadly alien species EVER concieved. The Space Jockey race created the Alien species, but it grew beyond their control. But damn…this woman helped defeat a QUEEN! Only the greatest clan leaders of the predators have ever been able to defeat one…she did this and was presented a spear…kinda wish he offered her a role as a warrior…but no…that was just gay that they didnt. You see, preds, on ocasion, have alien hunts on other worlds (this contradicts the temple thing in AVP and kinda sucks). But like, they’ed have a way to gain access to eggs or locate a planet with aliens on them and go for the hunt. Either way, they have ‘bug’ hunts.

But oh well, I need to touch on this movie…lesse…the humans really fucked up…the three preds were ‘the chosen’ and were destined to get to their shoulder cannons in the temple…but the humans screwed it all up and basically its chaos and pandemonium inwhich Paul W.S. Anderson screws up AGAIN…except he focuses less on the Aliens and Predators but more on the human characters that have NO story…except Lance Henriksons watered down role he was given…and the man is a GREAT actor too….DAMN YOU PAUL W.S. ANDERSON! But overall, I loved the movie…got to see some predator ritual with the marking of blood on their chest and forehead…even tho it WAS acid blood he did this with, still doesnt take away the fact he is a great warrior. I loved how the few scenes the preds and aliens WERE shown…that they were made in a magical sort of way…and were kept in spirit from the previous movies and of the novels.

The PG-13 rating was B O G U S! I mean, not only does it attract n00bs that probably have NO idea WTF is going on, but its kinda a slap in the face to the more mature audiences that have grown up with its friendly R rating from the previous films. But I’m a very flexable movie viewer and unless ONE thing is SOOOOOOO contradicting (like the aliens behavior in Alien Resurrection) I’m gonna hate this movie for TEH REST OF MAH LIFE! Worst movie ever HAS to be Starship Troopers 2…but that is SOOOOOOOOO a different story.

ACTION- 3 out of 5: Quick and sweet, and to the point…who wants a drawn out battle like FvJ (Freddy Vs. Jason)? It wasnt the greatest coreography, but it was decent enough to move the events along. I LOVED the friggin battle between 3 preds and roughly 1000 aliens in the back drop story that is comparable to the novels in that respect…dont confuse the movies story with the backdrop story…PLEASE!

MUSIC- 1 out of 5: It REALLY was bad…it was SOOOO faint that you could barely hear it! and what you DID hear was NOT typical of the Alien and Predator franchises.

STORY- 0 out of 5: this is the WORST feature of this movie…I mean, the only good thing established were what have been seen in the previous movies and novels about the aliens and predators….THATS IT!

OVERALL- I give AVP a 6.5 out of 10

So you see, I went into the movie not expecting much…expected another episode like Paul W.S. Andersons Resident Evil movie with the HORRIBLE zombies that acted like some pack of starving wolves, that popped up EVERYWHERE the characters would be….but talking about this movie, is a different story, LOL….but the AVP storyline was cheesy as a smelly block of limburger cheese, but the movie entertained me and that is what matters..aaaaaaw, I love eyecandy like the preds and aliens, lol. I am just finally excited that the movie was FINALLY made!

Chestnuts roasted by Kevin @ 08/25/2004 1:46 PM


You are right, It did attrackt n00bs. I went and saw it, and it gave me enough intrest to buy the old Predator and Alien movies. So, it has helped new people get an intrest in the franchises.

Chestnuts roasted by Kamen Rider Blaster @ 08/25/2004 4:11 PM


I dont know if this got covered, but manimal789 misquoted stating "the enemy is my enemy is my friend". The quote is actually "The enemy OF my enemy is my friend", sort of like if we hated germany, but we also hated russia, but we teamed up with Russia to take down Germany. Get it?

Chestnuts roasted by Vectorboy @ 08/25/2004 11:30 PM


Yeah, I actually convinced a dude I chat to start liking it…he thought it was uber gay with her and the predator at the end…alot of people just dont understand "The Way of the Warrior" and stuff, lol. But he’s starting to like the two franchises and has rented P1, P2 and A1 recently.

BTW, the main thing that I dislike, is when critics and reviewers name the whole fan population then say they are all disappointed and what not…and believe me…the fan base is friggin huge…so I HAVE to point out that not everyone things its crap.

Chestnuts roasted by Kevin @ 08/25/2004 11:38 PM


I, actually, thought it was an ok film, but I don’t watch films like these for plot, I watch it for the monsters. The visuals when the action finally started off were alright, I especially liked the sequence at the end
*Spoilers*
When the alien queen broke out of the ice, that was the second coolest thing in a movie I have seen so far (apart from doc ock’s arms). When they made the movie, they knew this scene was the most important, as far as visuals go, and they nailed it. I always wondered how it would look if we actually got to see it moving around (apart from the smoke and static poses of Aliens) and I thought it was quite nice. It strode around like a T-Rex. I also liked the fact that the Aliens used thier tails alot more than in other movies, lets just hope the next Aliens film is better.
I saw a "making of" feature that explains why the Preds came to earth, said something about those predators were on a "rite of passage", and if they survived they were granted warriorhood. Thats why the queen was woken up, as a training ground.
I knew the plot was going to be shot to hell the moment I heard about it, but I liked the visuals.

Chestnuts roasted by Everett Haran @ 08/26/2004 12:34 PM


For Cyanide: I might be recalling this incorrectly, but wasn’t the "Weyland" who showed up in Alien 3 actually another android? I seem to recall him getting smacked in the head, and seeing robot-type-bits underneath the skin… More lies from THE COMPANY.

(grumble) Have to find my copy of A3 and check it out.

Chestnuts roasted by JC da King @ 08/26/2004 12:46 PM


I’d pay to see to Katie Vick vs Al Wilson way more than Randy O-tron and Hunter Hearst McMahon anyday.

Chestnuts roasted by HalfBadger @ 08/26/2004 12:55 PM


Me and my friends almost watched it, but for the $9 that damn mall theatre charges you, we decided to see a good movie so we saw Harold and Kumar Go To Whitecastle again. Damn good movie.
One question… We’ve seen Freddy Vs. Jason, AvP… Why not a movie with the charachters from Blade and Resident Evil games squareing off? That’d be neat to watch.

Chestnuts roasted by EhhEff @ 08/26/2004 1:36 AM


Random "Rock n’ Wrestling" stickerbook album sticker description quote of the day:

121. Captain Lou’s fresh veggie burgers! "Step right up and get ‘em while there hot!" Does Captain Lou Albano have french fries to got with that burger?

Oh my.

Chestnuts roasted by Hork @ 08/26/2004 5:57 AM


funny. i was actually just wondering "I wonder if theres anything up on X-E regarding alien versus predator?". Matt, you never let me down.

i just saw it a few nights ago, and agree that it was horrible. horrible to the point where i couldnt even laugh at a lot of it because i had no idea what the hell i was laughing at.

it was kind of like watching Lenny Kravitz guest star on Power Rangers.

Chestnuts roasted by ShaveTheWhales @ 08/26/2004 3:03 PM


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