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Alien Vs. Predator + Italian Thumb Wrestling!

Caught Alien Vs. Predator the other night, and wow...seriously, that's the worst flick I've seen in theaters for a loooong while. I've waited a few days before commenting in hopes that the feeling would subside a bit, but nope -- that was one terrible movie. Keep in mind, I'm far from married from either of the franchises at play here. I like them both, but I'm never going to seek out posters or anything. I probably had much lower expectations than most, but the film still somehow failed to come close to the barrel of shit I'd anticipated. First off, the level of exposition in AvP is absurd. It wouldn't be honest for me to say that neither Pred nor Alien did anything for the first half of the movie, but absolutely truthful to say that they did almost nothing. For kill-fodder human characters with such half-assedly defined personalities and motives, they sure spent a lot of time letting us get to know them.

When we finally get to the central battleground -- an ancient pyramid maze buried under ice in a cold penguiny place, the film gets so literally dark that you can't follow anything that's happening. I'm serious -- there's minute-long action stretches where all you see are vague flashes of light and obscured objects moving about. The CG fight scenes down in that pyramid have some cool moments, but they're outweighed by the negatives: in what should be one of the most money money money scenes of the movie -- and you should be able to guess which -- there's long portions where the CG is so dark and haphazard that you're totally taken out of the movie. At one point, the battling monsters seemed to form an almost perfectly spherical, marbleized bowling ball.

You've probably heard about this PG-13 thing, and how the movie was trimmed by the studio to fit that rating. Frankly, for a PG-13 flick, it's still pretty gory and violent. I still heard cursewords, I still saw people impaled, blood splattered and creatures bursting through chests...I'm sure the movie suffered from that greedy late trim, but it just seems impossible that this alone is what caused AvP's problems.

There was a weird "twist" near the movie's climax -- it's probably been the biggest focus of every complaint thrown at the film. I won't spoil it, but only mention it to say that I really didn't mind it. Sure, it was fucking stupid, but at least it was somewhat interesting when compared to the dreck beforehand. More so that anything else, the twist was hilarious. Seems like the filmmakers cut their losses a long time ago on trying to create a film all the diehards would enjoy -- it was the kind of plot development that seemed to almost by design make longtime fans of these franchises hate the story. I wish I could say more, but let's leave it at this: after seeing all of the unintentional comedy provided by that infamous twist, I'm certain that there was a much bigger market for an outright AvP spoof film than the serious effort thrown at us. It's potentially the funniest movie you'll see this year.

Anyway, in celebration of things that should not exist, here's an article on Italian Thumb Wrestling.

Posted by Matt on 08/22/2004. E-mail me!



Discussion Thread: 114 comments

That’s funny, I don’t remember winking…..

Chestnuts roasted by manimal789 @ 08/22/2004 10:29 PM


Thought this might amuse you Matt. bea arther wrestling with a raptor. Just…amazing.

http://www.brandonbird.com/bea.html

oh yeah, please, please, please finish the Chia article

Chestnuts roasted by mindsuckr @ 08/22/2004 10:30 PM


Yeah, anyone else have flashbacks to a very extreme close-up on Dick Tracy during the "enemy is my enemy my friend is my blah" part?

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 08/22/2004 10:31 PM


HOLY CRAP! 10 bucks for a movie ticket!!!??? Thankfully I get student discounts tickets for only 5 bucks. Even then, I’ve never paid more than 8 dollars for a movie seat….

Wow….

Chestnuts roasted by Cameron T. @ 08/22/2004 10:47 PM


O_o

Chestnuts roasted by marril159 @ 08/22/2004 11:14 PM


Primal Rage = best game with Dinosaurs ever!

Chestnuts roasted by Crunk @ 08/22/2004 11:36 PM


Still better than that Bradshaw/Taker match at SS. Oh, and what’s Death Metal’s no-selling? Was he trained by Hogan?

Chestnuts roasted by Dude McGuy @ 08/23/2004 12:26 PM


Yeah, skip AvP and see Without a Paddle. It is freakin’ hilarious. Seth Green plays such a great tightass, and it is funny to see Burt Reynolds as a crazy mountain man. Seriously, it’s definately worth the movie ticket.

Chestnuts roasted by Gabbylicious @ 08/23/2004 12:45 PM


Great job on the Italian Thumb Wrestling, Matt.
Finally, those five years of Italian pay off! (Sort of.)

Chestnuts roasted by Denise @ 08/23/2004 2:11 AM


WTF, you’ve finally lost your mind Matt. On the thumb wrestling, not the movie.

Chestnuts roasted by Black Zarak @ 08/23/2004 2:12 AM


I still don’t see how you can screw AvP up that badly. I’ve been a fan of both franchises since I was, like, 8 (so that’s 11 years) and I know for a fact that there are some damn good things that could have been done with that premise. But instead, Anderson took some of the cool things from the comics, stripped them of all the stuff that made them cool, and gave us a gigantic cheeseball.

Maybe the 40 minutes or whatever that was cut out has some unbelievably awesome moments in them. Maybe the characters get less annoying, maybe there’s a fight scene you can actually see, maybe all the plot-holes are taken out. Either way, you’ll have to wait for months to get the Director’s Cut. Just skip the theaters and rent the D-C version. Or play the computer game.

Chestnuts roasted by Nowhere Man @ 08/23/2004 2:18 AM


http://www.cheapseats.tv/index.html">Cheap Seats now has a site with clips. I would recommend the http://www.cheapseats.tv/episodes.html">"1994 World Series of Poker" and http://www.cheapseats.tv/guests.html">NICHOLAS JENNER (Nick Swardson) clips. You might recognize Nick Swardson from his stand-up or his recurring role as the roller skating gay prostitute on "Reno 911." The other guests are also familar faces from various stand-up and comedy shows.

Chestnuts roasted by ME @ 08/23/2004 3:02 AM


Ooh, Burt Reynolds as the crazy mountain man? Does he make Seth squeal like a pig? I’m there!

Chestnuts roasted by trajeal @ 08/23/2004 8:04 AM


If you’ve never seen "Thumb Wars" or "Thumbtanic", might I recommend it to those here who found this thumb wrastlin, um, "article?" entertaining. I do believe they are out on DVD now. I think there’s still a website for em, but I can’t link it cause I’m at work and it’s blocked.
Interesting article Matt. I have no idea what happened, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Chestnuts roasted by jhnnywalkr @ 08/23/2004 10:12 AM


It’s obvious what happened. The announcer spoke Italian for a few minutes, then switched to english once the match started. Proud Pixie sucks, so Death Metal Maniac beat him easily and won 12 pigs.

I would like to ask whose hands those are, and who took the pictures?

Chestnuts roasted by ineptitude @ 08/23/2004 10:24 AM


Yeah, AvP what a giant "ass bomb" of a flick. Hands down one of the worst flicks of the year…

Possible Spoilers…

Didn’t it seem odd that the preds went uncloaked for the majority of the film? WTF is with that…

Chestnuts roasted by Wills @ 08/23/2004 11:02 AM


after watching AvP, i couldn’t help but think ZvP.
Zerg vs. Protoss!

Chestnuts roasted by firebot @ 08/23/2004 11:43 AM


Well, the aliens can see the predators if they’re cloaked so it doesn’t really matter.

The thing I had a problem with was how fast the aliens hatched/chestbursted/grew up. Plus the fact that there were more aliens than there were humans, so obviously the aliens used penguins as hosts.

Chestnuts roasted by Cobra Soldier #18 @ 08/23/2004 11:45 AM


even though, those pretty thumbs look like they have done a honest day’s work ever, they are still very sexy thumbs

Chestnuts roasted by secret admirer @ 08/23/2004 11:46 AM


ITW is definate proof that idle hands are the Devil’s merry-go-round. And Matt has one of those ride all day bracelets.

Chestnuts roasted by kingklash @ 08/23/2004 12:02 PM


Walking into the "AVP" movie I really didn’t expect much but I have to agree with Matt, It got worst toward the end. It started off like it would’ve been an alright movie but then it got really slow and ended fast, and the whole scene in the last 30 minutes was just cheesey. To me the movie kinda ranked up there with "Alien Reserection".

Chestnuts roasted by Caylor @ 08/23/2004 12:17 PM


I don’t know why people hate this film so much. I wasn’t expecting a lot out of it, but I still kinda enjoyed it for what it was. I knew deep down that this was just gonna be some shod-job attempt to finally make the film, that the studio rushed them through to ride on the success of last year’s Freddy VS. Jason.

Plus, you gotta remember this is Paul WS Anderson we’re talking about, the guy who directed Mortal Kombat, and Resident evil. They should not have picked this guy to direct it, because this guy cannot create deep and interesting action/horror films. He makes superficial cheesy crap, IMO, with the possible exception of Event Horizon.

I am going to have to check out this R rated directors cut they’re supposedly releasing on DVD in the future. I think making them go PG-13 was a bad move, and a lot of stuff was probably cut because of it.

Chestnuts roasted by Number 5 @ 08/23/2004 12:52 PM


…but I loved Mortal Kombat. :(

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 08/23/2004 12:53 PM


Yeah Trajeal, there are many many times when Seth Green squeals. And I agree, Matt. Mortal Kombat was awesome.

Chestnuts roasted by Gabbylicious @ 08/23/2004 1:18 PM


I put all the Italian into a translator: http://world.altavista.com/
It was hysterical! Great job, Matt.

Chestnuts roasted by Sweetie @ 08/23/2004 1:23 PM


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