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08/22/2004: Alien Vs. Predator + Italian Thumb Wrestling!

Caught Alien Vs. Predator the other night, and wow…seriously, that’s the worst flick I’ve seen in theaters for a loooong while. I’ve waited a few days before commenting in hopes that the feeling would subside a bit, but nope — that was one terrible movie. Keep in mind, I’m far from married from either of the franchises at play here. I like them both, but I’m never going to seek out posters or anything. I probably had much lower expectations than most, but the film still somehow failed to come close to the barrel of shit I’d anticipated. First off, the level of exposition in AvP is absurd. It wouldn’t be honest for me to say that neither Pred nor Alien did anything for the first half of the movie, but absolutely truthful to say that they did almost nothing. For kill-fodder human characters with such half-assedly defined personalities and motives, they sure spent a lot of time letting us get to know them.

When we finally get to the central battleground — an ancient pyramid maze buried under ice in a cold penguiny place, the film gets so literally dark that you can’t follow anything that’s happening. I’m serious — there’s minute-long action stretches where all you see are vague flashes of light and obscured objects moving about. The CG fight scenes down in that pyramid have some cool moments, but they’re outweighed by the negatives: in what should be one of the most money money money scenes of the movie — and you should be able to guess which — there’s long portions where the CG is so dark and haphazard that you’re totally taken out of the movie. At one point, the battling monsters seemed to form an almost perfectly spherical, marbleized bowling ball.

You’ve probably heard about this PG-13 thing, and how the movie was trimmed by the studio to fit that rating. Frankly, for a PG-13 flick, it’s still pretty gory and violent. I still heard cursewords, I still saw people impaled, blood splattered and creatures bursting through chests…I’m sure the movie suffered from that greedy late trim, but it just seems impossible that this alone is what caused AvP’s problems.

There was a weird “twist” near the movie’s climax — it’s probably been the biggest focus of every complaint thrown at the film. I won’t spoil it, but only mention it to say that I really didn’t mind it. Sure, it was fucking stupid, but at least it was somewhat interesting when compared to the dreck beforehand. More so that anything else, the twist was hilarious. Seems like the filmmakers cut their losses a long time ago on trying to create a film all the diehards would enjoy — it was the kind of plot development that seemed to almost by design make longtime fans of these franchises hate the story. I wish I could say more, but let’s leave it at this: after seeing all of the unintentional comedy provided by that infamous twist, I’m certain that there was a much bigger market for an outright AvP spoof film than the serious effort thrown at us. It’s potentially the funniest movie you’ll see this year.

Anyway, in celebration of things that should not exist, here’s an article on Italian Thumb Wrestling.


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Discussion Thread: 114 comments

What the crap…

Ghosted by Evin @ 08/22/2004 6:06 PM EDT


Was a single good horror movie this year?

Ghosted by Mr. Mr. Mr. @ 08/22/2004 6:13 PM EDT


Damdned I was looking forward to that film.
I mean, its got Aliens, its got Predators what could possibly have gone wrong?

Ghosted by Cliche-Man @ 08/22/2004 6:14 PM EDT


Shaun of the Dead is, definitely.

Still say DotD was good enough, too.

Ghosted by Matt @ 08/22/2004 6:15 PM EDT


Paul W.S. Anderson Responds to ‘Alien vs Predator’
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=2378&Template=newsfull

Ghosted by ME @ 08/22/2004 6:20 PM EDT


I have no clue what happened.

Ghosted by Geek @ 08/22/2004 6:34 PM EDT


ITW? What the hell?

Ghosted by Gunsmoke @ 08/22/2004 6:38 PM EDT


Tecmo World Wrestling – word.

Ghosted by Dan @ 08/22/2004 6:41 PM EDT


When did you learn Italian, Matt?

Is Death Metal married? He has a ring on his third, uh, appendage?

Looks like I’m going ot to rent SotD. I need good horror, and this summer jsut doesn’t seem to be cutting it, for the most part.

Ghosted by trajeal @ 08/22/2004 7:01 PM EDT


Saw this one about a week ago, I was looking forward to it for *months* and to put it nicely, the movie sucked hairy elephant ass!

In my very humble de-dumble opinion, the only parts worth watching were roughly the last third of the movie.. approximately 1/2 an hour, and a few bits in the middle.
That’s right folks; the movie weighs in at a mere 1.5 hours!

As far as the "plot twist" you were talking about, Matt, I actually rather liked it. Definitely worth the few laughs it provided.

All in all a terrible disappointment and an immense waste of time, money and film..
I wonder if we could sue the studio for the time wasted watching this mess?

Ghosted by Cyanyde @ 08/22/2004 7:10 PM EDT


What was that?? hee hee.. you’ve got way too much time on yer hands, friend

Ghosted by Jenny @ 08/22/2004 7:15 PM EDT


To think you’ve seen everything and then….there’s Italian thumb wrestling. I was always a big fan of Pro Wrestling for the NES. I feel sorry for any chump who used Fighter Hyabusa for his special move, the "back brain kick", never worked. Another move that never worked was Kin Corn Karn’s Mongolian Chop. I always thought it was funny the the Amazon got away with illegal moves like the Outlaw Choke and the ever gory Face Bite. Who said Nintendo was soft on violence? Apparently in 1986 for a split second they thought it was cool.

Ghosted by phunqsauce @ 08/22/2004 7:17 PM EDT


Well, im a huge fan of both Aliens and Predators and I thought it was actually pretty cool. The fact that its a sequel to the predator movies and a prequel to the alien movies and how it was completely tied into the ‘weyland discovery’ I thought was pretty well done. For all the bad movies matt’s judged, im suprised he disliked this one so much.

peace

Ghosted by nicoverse @ 08/22/2004 7:19 PM EDT


Okay, Matt, you lose me with wrestling thumbs. :(

Ghosted by Beta-Theta @ 08/22/2004 7:32 PM EDT


I was intrigued by the thumb wrestling, it seems to make more sense than a couple of naked horrible actors grabbing and throwing eachother.

Ghosted by MiltQn @ 08/22/2004 7:37 PM EDT


Yes! I love thumb wrastlin’. And I haven’t seen a movie in 2 months! Go Terps!

Ghosted by Walks @ 08/22/2004 8:03 PM EDT


I actually had a pretty good time watching the film. Wasn’t perfect, but it gave me what I wanted, and kept me pretty damn entertained. :)

Ghosted by John @ 08/22/2004 8:22 PM EDT


AvP was meh. It could have been better but I think it could have been worse. As far as ITW…a delight?

Ghosted by spacklepants @ 08/22/2004 8:27 PM EDT


All I can say is…WTF?!

The guy in the monkey mask giving some commentary was what sold the whole article for me ^_~

Ghosted by Invader Norbert @ 08/22/2004 9:22 PM EDT


This article places you in my "definitely insane" book, Matt. Not that that’s a bad thing at all.

Pro Wrestling…Is it that or Tag Team Wrestling that had the Strong Bads?

I was wise enough to dismiss AvP as crap the moment I saw the trailer, and I have no plans to see it. Smart me. (Can someone post the plot twist, though?)

Ghosted by Behonkiss @ 08/22/2004 9:25 PM EDT


AVP SPOILERS BELOW DON’T READ IF YOU’RE A’SCARED OF THE SPOILERS!!!

The "twist" is that the sole surviving human (the main character, duh) teams up with the last remaining Predator in a tag team effort against the Aliens — it’s cheesy and borderline romantic. Some of the scenes involved in this are absolutely priceless. Others just suck.

Ghosted by Matt @ 08/22/2004 9:29 PM EDT


I thought he was talking about the twist where Jesse the body Ventura and Bill Paxton show up with Segorney Weaver to kill everyone, and make the audience swear they’ll deny they ever saw the movie.

Ghosted by Trippy the 8th Dwarf @ 08/22/2004 9:43 PM EDT


What? This is crazy talk. This film is clearly the best love story in recent history. It blows "Titanic" right out of the water.

Ghosted by Sara @ 08/22/2004 9:50 PM EDT


A pitcher of Sam Adams couldn’t save that movie for me.

I became saddened. Then disgusted.

If you listen really hard, you can hear Baby Jesus crying because of that movie.

Shhhhhhhhh…

Ghosted by Toxic Oreo @ 08/22/2004 10:21 PM EDT


Yeah, I saw it. It was hilarious from beginning to end. The best thing about the twist was that the line they use for it ("the enemy is my enemy is my friend") is about as trite as it gets. ALSO, they make it sound like they invented that line. There were some good parts but not 7 dollars worth.

Ghosted by manimal789 @ 08/22/2004 10:28 PM EDT


That’s funny, I don’t remember winking…..

Ghosted by manimal789 @ 08/22/2004 10:29 PM EDT


Thought this might amuse you Matt. bea arther wrestling with a raptor. Just…amazing.

http://www.brandonbird.com/bea.html

oh yeah, please, please, please finish the Chia article

Ghosted by mindsuckr @ 08/22/2004 10:30 PM EDT


Yeah, anyone else have flashbacks to a very extreme close-up on Dick Tracy during the "enemy is my enemy my friend is my blah" part?

Ghosted by Matt @ 08/22/2004 10:31 PM EDT


HOLY CRAP! 10 bucks for a movie ticket!!!??? Thankfully I get student discounts tickets for only 5 bucks. Even then, I’ve never paid more than 8 dollars for a movie seat….

Wow….

Ghosted by Cameron T. @ 08/22/2004 10:47 PM EDT


O_o

Ghosted by marril159 @ 08/22/2004 11:14 PM EDT


Primal Rage = best game with Dinosaurs ever!

Ghosted by Crunk @ 08/22/2004 11:36 PM EDT


Still better than that Bradshaw/Taker match at SS. Oh, and what’s Death Metal’s no-selling? Was he trained by Hogan?

Ghosted by Dude McGuy @ 08/23/2004 12:26 PM EDT


Yeah, skip AvP and see Without a Paddle. It is freakin’ hilarious. Seth Green plays such a great tightass, and it is funny to see Burt Reynolds as a crazy mountain man. Seriously, it’s definately worth the movie ticket.

Ghosted by Gabbylicious @ 08/23/2004 12:45 PM EDT


Great job on the Italian Thumb Wrestling, Matt.
Finally, those five years of Italian pay off! (Sort of.)

Ghosted by Denise @ 08/23/2004 2:11 AM EDT


WTF, you’ve finally lost your mind Matt. On the thumb wrestling, not the movie.

Ghosted by Black Zarak @ 08/23/2004 2:12 AM EDT


I still don’t see how you can screw AvP up that badly. I’ve been a fan of both franchises since I was, like, 8 (so that’s 11 years) and I know for a fact that there are some damn good things that could have been done with that premise. But instead, Anderson took some of the cool things from the comics, stripped them of all the stuff that made them cool, and gave us a gigantic cheeseball.

Maybe the 40 minutes or whatever that was cut out has some unbelievably awesome moments in them. Maybe the characters get less annoying, maybe there’s a fight scene you can actually see, maybe all the plot-holes are taken out. Either way, you’ll have to wait for months to get the Director’s Cut. Just skip the theaters and rent the D-C version. Or play the computer game.

Ghosted by Nowhere Man @ 08/23/2004 2:18 AM EDT


Cheap Seats now has a site with clips. I would recommend the "1994 World Series of Poker" and NICHOLAS JENNER (Nick Swardson) clips. You might recognize Nick Swardson from his stand-up or his recurring role as the roller skating gay prostitute on "Reno 911." The other guests are also familar faces from various stand-up and comedy shows.

Ghosted by ME @ 08/23/2004 3:02 AM EDT


Ooh, Burt Reynolds as the crazy mountain man? Does he make Seth squeal like a pig? I’m there!

Ghosted by trajeal @ 08/23/2004 8:04 AM EDT


If you’ve never seen "Thumb Wars" or "Thumbtanic", might I recommend it to those here who found this thumb wrastlin, um, "article?" entertaining. I do believe they are out on DVD now. I think there’s still a website for em, but I can’t link it cause I’m at work and it’s blocked.
Interesting article Matt. I have no idea what happened, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

Ghosted by jhnnywalkr @ 08/23/2004 10:12 AM EDT


It’s obvious what happened. The announcer spoke Italian for a few minutes, then switched to english once the match started. Proud Pixie sucks, so Death Metal Maniac beat him easily and won 12 pigs.

I would like to ask whose hands those are, and who took the pictures?

Ghosted by ineptitude @ 08/23/2004 10:24 AM EDT


Yeah, AvP what a giant "ass bomb" of a flick. Hands down one of the worst flicks of the year…

Possible Spoilers…

Didn’t it seem odd that the preds went uncloaked for the majority of the film? WTF is with that…

Ghosted by Wills @ 08/23/2004 11:02 AM EDT


after watching AvP, i couldn’t help but think ZvP.
Zerg vs. Protoss!

Ghosted by firebot @ 08/23/2004 11:43 AM EDT


Well, the aliens can see the predators if they’re cloaked so it doesn’t really matter.

The thing I had a problem with was how fast the aliens hatched/chestbursted/grew up. Plus the fact that there were more aliens than there were humans, so obviously the aliens used penguins as hosts.

Ghosted by Cobra Soldier #18 @ 08/23/2004 11:45 AM EDT


even though, those pretty thumbs look like they have done a honest day’s work ever, they are still very sexy thumbs

Ghosted by secret admirer @ 08/23/2004 11:46 AM EDT


ITW is definate proof that idle hands are the Devil’s merry-go-round. And Matt has one of those ride all day bracelets.

Ghosted by kingklash @ 08/23/2004 12:02 PM EDT


Walking into the "AVP" movie I really didn’t expect much but I have to agree with Matt, It got worst toward the end. It started off like it would’ve been an alright movie but then it got really slow and ended fast, and the whole scene in the last 30 minutes was just cheesey. To me the movie kinda ranked up there with "Alien Reserection".

Ghosted by Caylor @ 08/23/2004 12:17 PM EDT


I don’t know why people hate this film so much. I wasn’t expecting a lot out of it, but I still kinda enjoyed it for what it was. I knew deep down that this was just gonna be some shod-job attempt to finally make the film, that the studio rushed them through to ride on the success of last year’s Freddy VS. Jason.

Plus, you gotta remember this is Paul WS Anderson we’re talking about, the guy who directed Mortal Kombat, and Resident evil. They should not have picked this guy to direct it, because this guy cannot create deep and interesting action/horror films. He makes superficial cheesy crap, IMO, with the possible exception of Event Horizon.

I am going to have to check out this R rated directors cut they’re supposedly releasing on DVD in the future. I think making them go PG-13 was a bad move, and a lot of stuff was probably cut because of it.

Ghosted by Number 5 @ 08/23/2004 12:52 PM EDT


…but I loved Mortal Kombat. :(

Ghosted by Matt @ 08/23/2004 12:53 PM EDT


Yeah Trajeal, there are many many times when Seth Green squeals. And I agree, Matt. Mortal Kombat was awesome.

Ghosted by Gabbylicious @ 08/23/2004 1:18 PM EDT


I put all the Italian into a translator: http://world.altavista.com/
It was hysterical! Great job, Matt.

Ghosted by Sweetie @ 08/23/2004 1:23 PM EDT


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