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Alien Vs. Predator + Italian Thumb Wrestling!

Caught Alien Vs. Predator the other night, and wow...seriously, that's the worst flick I've seen in theaters for a loooong while. I've waited a few days before commenting in hopes that the feeling would subside a bit, but nope -- that was one terrible movie. Keep in mind, I'm far from married from either of the franchises at play here. I like them both, but I'm never going to seek out posters or anything. I probably had much lower expectations than most, but the film still somehow failed to come close to the barrel of shit I'd anticipated. First off, the level of exposition in AvP is absurd. It wouldn't be honest for me to say that neither Pred nor Alien did anything for the first half of the movie, but absolutely truthful to say that they did almost nothing. For kill-fodder human characters with such half-assedly defined personalities and motives, they sure spent a lot of time letting us get to know them.

When we finally get to the central battleground -- an ancient pyramid maze buried under ice in a cold penguiny place, the film gets so literally dark that you can't follow anything that's happening. I'm serious -- there's minute-long action stretches where all you see are vague flashes of light and obscured objects moving about. The CG fight scenes down in that pyramid have some cool moments, but they're outweighed by the negatives: in what should be one of the most money money money scenes of the movie -- and you should be able to guess which -- there's long portions where the CG is so dark and haphazard that you're totally taken out of the movie. At one point, the battling monsters seemed to form an almost perfectly spherical, marbleized bowling ball.

You've probably heard about this PG-13 thing, and how the movie was trimmed by the studio to fit that rating. Frankly, for a PG-13 flick, it's still pretty gory and violent. I still heard cursewords, I still saw people impaled, blood splattered and creatures bursting through chests...I'm sure the movie suffered from that greedy late trim, but it just seems impossible that this alone is what caused AvP's problems.

There was a weird "twist" near the movie's climax -- it's probably been the biggest focus of every complaint thrown at the film. I won't spoil it, but only mention it to say that I really didn't mind it. Sure, it was fucking stupid, but at least it was somewhat interesting when compared to the dreck beforehand. More so that anything else, the twist was hilarious. Seems like the filmmakers cut their losses a long time ago on trying to create a film all the diehards would enjoy -- it was the kind of plot development that seemed to almost by design make longtime fans of these franchises hate the story. I wish I could say more, but let's leave it at this: after seeing all of the unintentional comedy provided by that infamous twist, I'm certain that there was a much bigger market for an outright AvP spoof film than the serious effort thrown at us. It's potentially the funniest movie you'll see this year.

Anyway, in celebration of things that should not exist, here's an article on Italian Thumb Wrestling.

Posted by Matt on 08/22/2004. E-mail me!



Discussion Thread: 114 comments

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What the crap…

Chestnuts roasted by Evin @ 08/22/2004 6:06 PM


Was a single good horror movie this year?

Chestnuts roasted by Mr. Mr. Mr. @ 08/22/2004 6:13 PM


Damdned I was looking forward to that film.
I mean, its got Aliens, its got Predators what could possibly have gone wrong?

Chestnuts roasted by Cliche-Man @ 08/22/2004 6:14 PM


Shaun of the Dead is, definitely.

Still say DotD was good enough, too.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 08/22/2004 6:15 PM


Paul W.S. Anderson Responds to ‘Alien vs Predator’
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=2378&Template=newsfull

Chestnuts roasted by ME @ 08/22/2004 6:20 PM


I have no clue what happened.

Chestnuts roasted by Geek @ 08/22/2004 6:34 PM


ITW? What the hell?

Chestnuts roasted by Gunsmoke @ 08/22/2004 6:38 PM


Tecmo World Wrestling – word.

Chestnuts roasted by Dan @ 08/22/2004 6:41 PM


When did you learn Italian, Matt?

Is Death Metal married? He has a ring on his third, uh, appendage?

Looks like I’m going ot to rent SotD. I need good horror, and this summer jsut doesn’t seem to be cutting it, for the most part.

Chestnuts roasted by trajeal @ 08/22/2004 7:01 PM


Saw this one about a week ago, I was looking forward to it for *months* and to put it nicely, the movie sucked hairy elephant ass!

In my very humble de-dumble opinion, the only parts worth watching were roughly the last third of the movie.. approximately 1/2 an hour, and a few bits in the middle.
That’s right folks; the movie weighs in at a mere 1.5 hours!

As far as the "plot twist" you were talking about, Matt, I actually rather liked it. Definitely worth the few laughs it provided.

All in all a terrible disappointment and an immense waste of time, money and film..
I wonder if we could sue the studio for the time wasted watching this mess?

Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 08/22/2004 7:10 PM


What was that?? hee hee.. you’ve got way too much time on yer hands, friend

Chestnuts roasted by Jenny @ 08/22/2004 7:15 PM


To think you’ve seen everything and then….there’s Italian thumb wrestling. I was always a big fan of Pro Wrestling for the NES. I feel sorry for any chump who used Fighter Hyabusa for his special move, the "back brain kick", never worked. Another move that never worked was Kin Corn Karn’s Mongolian Chop. I always thought it was funny the the Amazon got away with illegal moves like the Outlaw Choke and the ever gory Face Bite. Who said Nintendo was soft on violence? Apparently in 1986 for a split second they thought it was cool.

Chestnuts roasted by phunqsauce @ 08/22/2004 7:17 PM


Well, im a huge fan of both Aliens and Predators and I thought it was actually pretty cool. The fact that its a sequel to the predator movies and a prequel to the alien movies and how it was completely tied into the ‘weyland discovery’ I thought was pretty well done. For all the bad movies matt’s judged, im suprised he disliked this one so much.

peace

Chestnuts roasted by nicoverse @ 08/22/2004 7:19 PM


Okay, Matt, you lose me with wrestling thumbs. :(

Chestnuts roasted by Beta-Theta @ 08/22/2004 7:32 PM


I was intrigued by the thumb wrestling, it seems to make more sense than a couple of naked horrible actors grabbing and throwing eachother.

Chestnuts roasted by MiltQn @ 08/22/2004 7:37 PM


Yes! I love thumb wrastlin’. And I haven’t seen a movie in 2 months! Go Terps!

Chestnuts roasted by Walks @ 08/22/2004 8:03 PM


I actually had a pretty good time watching the film. Wasn’t perfect, but it gave me what I wanted, and kept me pretty damn entertained. :)

Chestnuts roasted by John @ 08/22/2004 8:22 PM


AvP was meh. It could have been better but I think it could have been worse. As far as ITW…a delight?

Chestnuts roasted by spacklepants @ 08/22/2004 8:27 PM


All I can say is…WTF?!

The guy in the monkey mask giving some commentary was what sold the whole article for me ^_~

Chestnuts roasted by Invader Norbert @ 08/22/2004 9:22 PM


This article places you in my "definitely insane" book, Matt. Not that that’s a bad thing at all.

Pro Wrestling…Is it that or Tag Team Wrestling that had the Strong Bads?

I was wise enough to dismiss AvP as crap the moment I saw the trailer, and I have no plans to see it. Smart me. (Can someone post the plot twist, though?)

Chestnuts roasted by Behonkiss @ 08/22/2004 9:25 PM


AVP SPOILERS BELOW DON’T READ IF YOU’RE A’SCARED OF THE SPOILERS!!!

The "twist" is that the sole surviving human (the main character, duh) teams up with the last remaining Predator in a tag team effort against the Aliens — it’s cheesy and borderline romantic. Some of the scenes involved in this are absolutely priceless. Others just suck.

Chestnuts roasted by Matt @ 08/22/2004 9:29 PM


I thought he was talking about the twist where Jesse the body Ventura and Bill Paxton show up with Segorney Weaver to kill everyone, and make the audience swear they’ll deny they ever saw the movie.

Chestnuts roasted by Trippy the 8th Dwarf @ 08/22/2004 9:43 PM


What? This is crazy talk. This film is clearly the best love story in recent history. It blows "Titanic" right out of the water.

Chestnuts roasted by Sara @ 08/22/2004 9:50 PM


A pitcher of Sam Adams couldn’t save that movie for me.

I became saddened. Then disgusted.

If you listen really hard, you can hear Baby Jesus crying because of that movie.

Shhhhhhhhh…

Chestnuts roasted by Toxic Oreo @ 08/22/2004 10:21 PM


Yeah, I saw it. It was hilarious from beginning to end. The best thing about the twist was that the line they use for it ("the enemy is my enemy is my friend") is about as trite as it gets. ALSO, they make it sound like they invented that line. There were some good parts but not 7 dollars worth.

Chestnuts roasted by manimal789 @ 08/22/2004 10:28 PM


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