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Alien Vs. Predator + Italian Thumb Wrestling!

Caught Alien Vs. Predator the other night, and wow...seriously, that's the worst flick I've seen in theaters for a loooong while. I've waited a few days before commenting in hopes that the feeling would subside a bit, but nope -- that was one terrible movie. Keep in mind, I'm far from married from either of the franchises at play here. I like them both, but I'm never going to seek out posters or anything. I probably had much lower expectations than most, but the film still somehow failed to come close to the barrel of shit I'd anticipated. First off, the level of exposition in AvP is absurd. It wouldn't be honest for me to say that neither Pred nor Alien did anything for the first half of the movie, but absolutely truthful to say that they did almost nothing. For kill-fodder human characters with such half-assedly defined personalities and motives, they sure spent a lot of time letting us get to know them.

When we finally get to the central battleground -- an ancient pyramid maze buried under ice in a cold penguiny place, the film gets so literally dark that you can't follow anything that's happening. I'm serious -- there's minute-long action stretches where all you see are vague flashes of light and obscured objects moving about. The CG fight scenes down in that pyramid have some cool moments, but they're outweighed by the negatives: in what should be one of the most money money money scenes of the movie -- and you should be able to guess which -- there's long portions where the CG is so dark and haphazard that you're totally taken out of the movie. At one point, the battling monsters seemed to form an almost perfectly spherical, marbleized bowling ball.

You've probably heard about this PG-13 thing, and how the movie was trimmed by the studio to fit that rating. Frankly, for a PG-13 flick, it's still pretty gory and violent. I still heard cursewords, I still saw people impaled, blood splattered and creatures bursting through chests...I'm sure the movie suffered from that greedy late trim, but it just seems impossible that this alone is what caused AvP's problems.

There was a weird "twist" near the movie's climax -- it's probably been the biggest focus of every complaint thrown at the film. I won't spoil it, but only mention it to say that I really didn't mind it. Sure, it was fucking stupid, but at least it was somewhat interesting when compared to the dreck beforehand. More so that anything else, the twist was hilarious. Seems like the filmmakers cut their losses a long time ago on trying to create a film all the diehards would enjoy -- it was the kind of plot development that seemed to almost by design make longtime fans of these franchises hate the story. I wish I could say more, but let's leave it at this: after seeing all of the unintentional comedy provided by that infamous twist, I'm certain that there was a much bigger market for an outright AvP spoof film than the serious effort thrown at us. It's potentially the funniest movie you'll see this year.

Anyway, in celebration of things that should not exist, here's an article on Italian Thumb Wrestling.

Posted by Matt on 08/22/2004. E-mail me!



Discussion Thread: 114 comments

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Hmmmm….. AvP blew. Then again so did Predator 2, Alien 4 ,and Alien 3 was alright (do to Fincher’s cinematography). My opinon is based off reading the first comic mini-series of Aliens, Predator, and AvP (note on all three the first of the mini-series not the crap that fallowed) before the movies were made. If you thought Alien 3 and Predator 2 should have been what the comic books were, then you will be dissapointed with AvP. I opolgize for my crappy spelling, I use to read comic books what do you expect?

Chestnuts roasted by Tweety @ 08/26/2004 5:40 PM


Number 5, you were wondering why people are so pissed about AvP. Its because so many of us really loved the Aliens 1 & 2 and Preadator movies. Aliens is still my favorite movie of all time. And there have been so many great AvP stories that Dark Horse produced "Superman vs Aliens" not withstanding. In the right hands (James Cameron (I know i’m dreaming )) it could have been one af the greatest flicks of both the franchises. I haven’t even seen the movie yet and im pissed. I have been eagerly waiting for this movie for like 8 years. when i heard that Paul Anderson was directing i started to worry. When i read online the basic premise was that Aliens were being kept on earth for centuries before the first Alien movie i was furious. The whole point of all the damn Aliens movies was preventing Aliens from ever getting loose on earth. And that A-hole Anderson just goes ahead and lets them loose on Antartica without pause. Its that disrespect for the material that so many of us love that pisses us off. How hard can a movie like this be? Ill probably see it once but probably i wont buy the damn dvd if it sucks as much as i think it will. Thats more money out of the studios pockets because they cant seem to hire talent who have respect for the material.

Chestnuts roasted by Coon Ass @ 08/27/2004 11:03 AM


I could go along with that, but no one besides the lead survived to tell anyone. So I could understand if the planet was oblivious to Aliens already being on Earth.

IMO, it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it would be. The basic premise was AvP and there were enough scenes of that to make up for the inane plot. Hopefully, the driector’s cut will provide a fuller vision of the film and make it more palatable to critics. That or a sequel (and you know there will be one).

Chestnuts roasted by jason1551 @ 08/27/2004 8:43 PM


Hi there Earth, Neil Armstrong here. Bet you haven’t heard from me in a while, have you? Well, I’ll tell you why. It’s because I’m still on the fucking moon! You bastards left me up here thirty five years ago. Why, I’ve probably lost billions in talk show circuits and lecture tours. Godammit.

Chestnuts roasted by Neil Armstrong @ 08/27/2004 9:53 PM


Shawn of the dead, was the best horror movie of the year, by far. Was there any doubt that AvP wouldn’t suck? But, as a fan I feel obliged to go see all Spider-men and x-men and hellboys. C’mon 20 years ago, driving home from a comiccon who wouldn’t have the "who would be the best actor toplay Wolverine" type convo. We have to support these stupid movies and then blast them apart afterwords. I just hope someone listens. They keep making Wayans spoofs, so hollywood is willing to spend money on anything. I’m still gonna go see AvP, god help me!

Chestnuts roasted by ak47 @ 08/29/2004 2:06 PM


This just goes to prove, when it comes to finger-wrestling, Matt’s all thumbs.

Chestnuts roasted by stupid arb comment @ 08/31/2004 5:20 AM


JC da King: I thought it was the actual Weyland in A3, I too could be wrong though, did you dig out your copy of Alien 3?
Im assuming *this* Weyland was a forefather of the one from the Alien movies, he just opened the door for the whole Alien series, kinda like a prequel.

**Confused** :P

Chestnuts roasted by Cyanyde @ 08/31/2004 1:37 PM


There were way too many Aliens running around to all have incubating in humans…

I’d pay to see a penguin chestburster.

Chestnuts roasted by BSDfan @ 09/09/2004 11:05 AM


i liked that movie dude because i like gore damnit all the blood was good! well yeah it was good!

Chestnuts roasted by Taylor @ 09/16/2004 1:23 PM


i liked that movie dude because i like gore damnit all the blood was good! well yeah it was good!

Chestnuts roasted by Taylor @ 09/16/2004 1:23 PM


quanto tempo tu parlato in italiano?

Chestnuts roasted by merauder @ 09/18/2004 9:08 AM


Hi Matt! Loyal follower of your site…from Italy!
Signor Caracappa, your italian quite frankly, sucks ( maybe my english too.. :-P ), but once again, you have surprised me. It was totally, hysterically nonsensical AND fun. Favorite site ever, since the gay Rambo….I mean, the ULTIMATE WARRIOR costume post. Hai chiaramente usato Altavista, ma sei un mito lo stesso. :P

Chestnuts roasted by Saisyu @ 09/23/2004 7:39 AM


Ah, just an Alien Vs Predator question. Is Raoul Bova laughably bad in this flick as he is in almost EVERY italian movie he made so far? :D Here in Italy he is regarded as some sort of sex-symbol, but little else. He’s our Keanu Reeves…as far as "acting" goes, that is. :D

Chestnuts roasted by Saisyu @ 09/23/2004 7:44 AM


Italian thumb wrestling? To quote a certain Disney Pixar character who wears a rather lurid space suit “You are a sad strange little man and you have my pity”.

Chestnuts roasted by Nicholas @ 06/29/2009 6:06 AM


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