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08/04/2003: The Ecto Cooler Saga CONTINUES…

I promise, this is the last time I’ll ever write about Ecto Cooler. Bear with me. I’m obsessed.

You might remember this post from late June, where I mentioned Hi-C’s “Orange Lavaburst” flavor as being a reincarnated Ecto Cooler. I didn’t solve the mystery myself, but after repeatedly reading fans’ cries, I gave the fruity juice a shot and agreed. From where I sat — in a broken chair littered with cig burns and what appeared to be nail polish — Orange Lavaburst was Ecto Cooler. Or was it?

For those who’ve forgotten, “Ecto Cooler” was a Hi-C juice brand with Slimer of The Real Ghostbusters fame on the box. Though Hi-C has gotten a bit wackier with their flavor names over the years, Ecto Cooler was the first “novelty” drink in the line. Kids went nuts for the shit. This was a fad that transcended our usual young geeky interests, as children didn’t really have to be into toys or cartoons to get down with the Ecto. Regardless of what you felt about Ghostbusters, few were going to skip the one juice box with a mysteriously vague name and a green monster on the box.

The beverage outlived all other Ghostbusters novelties, delivering Slimer to a generation of kids who’d barely even heard of his offshoot cartoon. Unfortunately, like Chris Elliot sitcoms and “Quackers” snack crackers, all good things come to an end. Ecto Cooler eventually disappeared, leaving behind a legion of fans who weren’t quite ready to give up a taste they’d inadvertently become addicted to. We bought the juice because of Slimer, but somewhere along the way, we got hooked on the flavor.

That’s where it gets interesting…

I claimed that “Orange Lavaburst” was Ecto Cooler Version II, and many seemed to agree. Others were skeptical, and with good reason. They argued that Ecto Cooler was back, but not as Orange Lavaburst. No, if these naysayers were to be believed, Ecto Cooler was reborn as an entirely different brand of Hi-C juice. Today, we experiment to uncover the truth. Which current Hi-C flavor is really Ecto Cooler?

According to some, “Shoutin’ Orange Tangergreen” is the new Ecto Cooler. Their many arguments include the following:

1) Shoutin’ Tangergreen has a strong emphasis on…well, “green.” Ostensibly, “green” equals “Slimer.”

2) Many remember Ecto Cooler as having “tangerine” as part of the flavor cornucopia. Shoutin’ Tangergreen shares that trait, Orange Lavaburst does not. :P

3) Lavaburst’s “box icon” is a simple orange. Tangergreen’s icon is a ghastly, deep green “mouth.” Obviously, green mouths seem more in tune with Slimer than a silly orange.

Admittedly, I seem to recall viewing a few Ecto Cooler ads in print that played up the citrus mix of oranges and tangerines. This factored with the new flavor’s “green scheme” painted my previous posts as efforts in STUPAD IGNORAAAACE, but hey, let’s find out for sure this time. Here’s the listed ingredients for both flavors, with the differences highlighted in bold…

Orange Lavaburst: Pure Filtered Water, Sweeteners (High Fructose Corn Syrup, Sugar), Orange Juice From Concentrate, Less Than 0.5% Of Each: Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Natural Flavors, Potassium Citrate (Regulates Tartness), Citric Acid (Provides Tartness).

Shoutin’ Orange Tangergreen: Pure Filtered Water, Sweeteners (High Fructose Corn Syrup, Sugar), Orange And Tangerine Juice From Concentrate, Less Than 0.5% Of Each: Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Natural Flavors, Potassium Citrate (Regulates Tartness), Citric Acid (Provides Tartness).

So, what have we established? Aside from a modicum of tangerine juice, they’re exactly the same. I refuse to accept that the key to this mystery lies solely in a vial of concentrated tangerine juice, so our champion remains undetermined. Perhaps it’s time we compared each flavor’s color. If there’s one thing people seem to remember about Ecto Cooler, it’s the unmistakable neon green hue…

Hmmmm — virtually no difference at all. In fact, I can’t honestly say if Ecto Cooler itself was green. The ads certainly suggested that, but edibles are often “dolled up” for those campaigns. Plus, I’ve seen firsthand that even the truly “colored” Hi-C flavors lose their sheen after a given amount of time. To avoid staining rugs and clothes, Minute Maid never added the type of food dyes you’ve grown accustomed to with something like, say, M&Ms. The tint is almost always natural these days, and though I can’t prove it, it’s possible that Ecto Cooler was only “green” in our Father Time-sweetened memories. Or was it?! Again?!

The Star Trek Connection?

While I’ll solemnly admit to spending a little too much time searching for information regarding the Juice in Question, my findings were few and far between. I’ve been doing this site for a long time, and I don’t think many readers would deny that I’ve probably spent more time researching “that” generation’s fads than most people. During my travels, I’ve learned that there’s a tribute for just about anything. Even the truly obscure stuff usually has some free-hosted, five-year-old tribute if you look hard enough. Yet, there’s very, very little about Ecto Cooler. Plus, the people who have written about it contradict each other with misshapen and sometimes incorrect recollections. For a fruit juice, there’s a lot of intrigue attached to good ol’ Ecto. I did find one trivia nugget, though:

In “Relics,” an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, there’s a futuristic cocktail known as “Aldebaran Whiskey.” If the rumors are true, they used Ecto Cooler as a prop to illustrate the whiskey’s green hue.

A ha! So it was green after all! You know what this means, right? Even if Shoutin’ Tangergreen or Orange Lavaburst perfectly mimic Slimer’s sludge in taste, neither are true clones. As you can see in the above pic, they’re both pale piss yellow.

But which of the two comes the closest? Personally, I’m still siding with Lavaburst. It’s got this odd aftertaste that I just can’t overlook — if I remember my Ecto Cooler correctly, it had the exact same punch. Tangergreen seems like the natural predecessor, but in reality, the difference between the two current flavors is almost too negligible to weigh. Few would find success in naming each for a blind taste test, so in terms of championing a “new” Ecto Cooler, it’s really up to the specific person.

Mystery solved? Not quite, and maybe that’s for the best. If there’s one thing Ecto Cooler had going for it, it’s that the beverage was truly one of a kind. Us fans might love the idea of being able to still drink it whenever we want, but the real stuff took a powder right along Slimer and his ghostbusting pals. Besides, just when you think you have the answers, further research brings more questions — check out this Usenet post from early 2000; a response to an Ecto inquiry…

Subject: Re: Hi-C Ecto Cooler?
Newsgroup: alt.movies.ghostbusters
Date: 2000/05/14

“It is still made and still called Ecto-Cooler. The only difference is they have taken Slimer and replaced him with an orange surrounded by rings of some sort. I’m drinking one right now.”

The plot thickens….


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Discussion Thread: 200 comments

Hey Matt. as the person from South Carolina said, I also got a recipt back when I got Tangergreem and it says HI C Ecto on it, I even scanned the recipt to prove it.

Also I e-mailed Minute Made about this. This is the answer I got.

Thank you for contacting Minute Maid. We are glad to hear from a fan of Hi-C Shoutin’ Orange Tangergreen like you and apologize that you have not been able to find it in your preferred packaging.
Unfortunately, we do not keep a list of store names and addresses in our department because the availability information changes so frequently; therefore, I suggest that you check with the manager of your favorite store to see if he or she can order it for you. It may be necessary to purchase the product by the case in order for the store to order it.
We do offer a complete line of products to the suppliers of the retail grocery stores. These suppliers, based on grocer demands, decide what to stock. We cannot, however, insist that either party carry our products.
You may also be interested to know that Hi-C Shoutin’ Orange Tangergreen, has a similar flavor profile to Hi-C Ecto Cooler.
If you have additional questions or comments, please feel free to visit our web site again.
Edward
Industry and Consumer Affairs

Ecto Cooler is Tangergreen, and Lava Burst is HI-C Orange. Nuff said. If you want the scan of the recipt let me know.

Ghosted by Nick @ 08/06/2003 7:47 PM EDT


http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Yuck%20Mud/Ecto+proof.jpg

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/Yuck%20Mud/Ecto+Cooler.jpg

here are the scans of both recipts I got. One is 3 Tangergreens, the other is Lavaburst and Tangergreen.

Ecto was allways green, but Hi-C takes the food coloring out of the boxed drinks. Because if you buy a gallon of any Hi-c it has the color in it.

Ghosted by Nick (again) @ 08/06/2003 8:05 PM EDT


Hey Nick, What’s the area code of that store. I want to prank call them. :) ))

Ghosted by Big Will @ 08/06/2003 8:56 PM EDT


I think we’re gonna have to take the Delorian out for a spin to figure this one out. Apparently this mystery unfolds in the 50s : http://theimaginaryworld.com/prod53.jpg

Ghosted by Greekgold @ 08/07/2003 12:02 PM EDT


umm when i had oraneg lavaburst at McDonalds (they have it in teh fountain) it was ornage as orange can be
not no piss ass yellow

Ghosted by eddiejay @ 08/07/2003 2:12 AM EDT


also 1 more thing
LIME is totallyf uckin better than lemon
::::::drinks island lime soda::::::

Ghosted by eddie jay @ 08/07/2003 2:16 AM EDT


er…sine people are still posting here and since this is soft drink related…was moubntsain dew the drink that used to make your tounge go green/blue. im talking about both in uk and usa. i have a friend who buys mountain dew from america off ebay, and it doesnt make his tounge go blue

Ghosted by 'tin man @ 08/07/2003 5:44 AM EDT


I just realized that the Tangergreen I bought yesterday does not say "Does not stain" on the label like Matt’s does… It’s GREEN in teh juice box folks!! Marvelous, Marvelous GREEN!! If I can get my hands on a digital camera I’ll take a pic or two…

Ghosted by sallizar @ 08/07/2003 8:53 AM EDT


I dunno what the fuss is about. Every time I go fishin down at Hallas Creek, I gets tons of this hear green water. I can just scoops its up and it tastes real purty. Yous all seem to like this stuff. I thinks I will start selling this in boxes, maybee puts me a dog on it too and sell its for money. Like ina roadside stand like in Jaskson County.

Ghosted by Cooter @ 08/07/2003 11:02 AM EDT


This is entirely off topic, but reading julia badtouch’s post about teen witch reminded me:

I was at the video store yesterday, pawing through the 2-for-a-dollar movies, when what to my wandering eyes did appear?

NUKIE.

I thought about renting it but I got Dust Devil instead. It was terrible. You should rent it, Matt.

Ghosted by freakachu @ 08/07/2003 11:35 AM EDT


From: Minute Maid Support [mailto:minutemaid.support@na.ko.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: RE: Minute Maid Contact Form

Thank you for contacting Minute Maid, Mr. Muschong. We are glad to hear from a fan of Hi-C brands like you.

Unfortunately, Hi-C Ecto Cooler has been discontinued. However, you may be interested in sampling the Hi-C Shoutin" Orange Tangergreen, which has a similar flavor profile.

Your loyalty to our brands is certainly appreciated. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to visit our Web site again.

Noelle
Industry and Consumer Affairs

[THREAD ID:1-35P99W]

Ghosted by punkrock101 @ 08/07/2003 12:52 PM EDT


I’ve been buying Orange Tangergreen and enjoying the Ecto-y goodness ever since I saw the stuff stocked above a tag that said "Ecto Cooler" at the local Shop Rite.

Never underestimate the value of UPC shelf tags.

Ghosted by SpiderGuy @ 08/07/2003 2:29 PM EDT


Wow. Just, wow.
Let me comment on how thrilling and satisfying it was to read through this whole thread. It was like a realtime mystery novel in whih everyone contributed! And we figured it out! I’m going to try and get some Tangergreen as soon as possible now. I LOVED Ecto Cooler!

I remember I went to my cousin’s house one time and they had huge jugs of it because she HAD to drink it, due to some mysterious medical condition I never followed up on. I should ask her about it.

Oh and I’m glad someone else brought up Surge. When that stuff first came out I swore it tasted like carbonated Ecto Cooler. My friends and I also re-enacted the Surge commercials.

Oh yeah, I also remember when I was a kid I promised myself that NO MATTER WHAT, when I was old enough to have a car I was going to get a license plate that read "ECTO-1" just like in Ghostbusters.

Faded dreams man…

Ghosted by UniAce @ 08/07/2003 6:51 PM EDT


steve guttenburg is often spotted in posh L.A eateries from what i hear. and apparently he’s all buffed up and beefcake nowadays.

Ghosted by dick @ 08/07/2003 6:52 PM EDT


Oh yeah, have we found Bitner yet??

Ghosted by UniAce @ 08/07/2003 6:54 PM EDT


i remember it being green as well mostly cause i remember it coming up that funny brown color through the orange straw. i actually remember buying it from shop-rote only a couple years ago, but to tell you the truth i don’t remember if slimer was still on it. i do know it had to be Ecto-cooler though cause if not i wouldn’t have bought it cause that was the only kind i liked. untill now i never even thought about ecto-cooler but now i’m deff. checking to see if shop-rite still has it. as for something being the "new Ecto" i don’t think anything could replace it without having slimer on the box. without slimer it just isn’t ecto.

Ghosted by SublimeObsessedMidget @ 08/07/2003 8:37 PM EDT


after a tiny bit of pointless investigating ive found out that both ecto-cooler and shoutin’ orange tangergreen share the same UPC code…could they be the same product? actually…it wasnt investigating i was in the grocery store and the place had a ecto cooler price tag up with the tangergreen in its place…one look at both told me that the upcs were the same. maybe it is the same procust after all. dunno its up to you. i just miss slimer on the box.

Ghosted by ryan @ 08/07/2003 8:40 PM EDT


Where, pray tell, did you find Tangergreen? I can’t find a store that carries it.

Ghosted by Smeg @ 08/07/2003 9:08 PM EDT


You will note that we have two different Hi-C reps claiming that Tangergreen has a "similar", but not "same", flavor "profile" as Ecto Cooler. Now what we need is to have someone with 10-year-old juice boxes and way to much time on their hands scan the ingredients of Ecto Cooler so we can compare the two. That’s the only answer to this mystery, and if my guess isn’t mistaken, I believe we’d find that Tangergreen and Ecto Cooler have in fact the same ingredient "profile". I just don’t think Hi-C would relish the fact that they changed nothing about the drink itself but simply decided that Slimer had run his course and repacked the liquid as Tangergreen. That’d be difficult to explain to the stock-holders (and might I say, I wish I was one, considering the verve mid-twenty-somethings have put into getting to the bottom of this mystery).

Also, notice how this thread is getting long as well? Not rivaling PFC Nathan Bitner, mind you, but it just goes to show that people love a mystery.

The only Hi-C I have ever had the joy of drinking is Hi-C Fruit Punch. We have it at work and i don’t drink cokes and things like them. It is good. I think I may have to start getting juice boxes and will have to try this new Ecto-cooler. I remember the other kids having it even though i am young and it probably went out a while ago.

Ghosted by geezusjones @ 08/09/2003 4:27 AM EDT


what was the drink that stained your tounge?

Ghosted by 'tin Man @ 08/09/2003 10:36 AM EDT


[
Thank you for contacting Minute Maid, Mr. Groom. We are glad to hear from a fan of Hi-C brands like you.

Unfortunately, Hi-C Ecto Cooler has been discontinued. However, you may be interested in sampling the Hi-C Shoutin" Orange Tangergreen, which has a similar flavor profile.

Your loyalty to our brands is certainly appreciated. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to visit our Web site again.

Noelle
Industry and Consumer Affairs
]

Look familiar, punkrock? Yeah, I got the same letter. They must have some kind of barebone profile for letters to send out, and we got the ‘idiots asking too much info about Ecto’ one. Same Noelle, too. I wonder if she has a boyfriend…<333

Oh, and I think Matt’s attractive. I’d do him… and I hope he takes fear in that statement.

and I’m a guy ;D

Ghosted by Omni @ 08/09/2003 11:18 AM EDT


punkrock101, I got the SAME exact email from Hi-C. The only difference is that they wrote my name instead of yours. They probably just see that the letter is about Ecto Cooler and automatically send it to you, which is evident because they didn’t answer a single question I asked.

Ghosted by LioConvoy @ 08/09/2003 11:53 AM EDT


I sent another message asking for an actual letter written by Noelle herself, or at least the highest Hi-C authority available. lol

Ghosted by LioConvoy @ 08/09/2003 12:02 PM EDT


Even though I happen to be the only person still on the case, I’ll post this here as I find it pretty important information. I have gotten my actual letter written by Ms. Noelle herself. Here it is:

Thank you for contacting us again, Mr. Gallagher. We appreciate your continued
interest.

As you may know, flavor formulations are one of our most valuable assets. For
that reason, we can not comment on specific flavors, however, we can tell you
that Ecto Cooler and Screamin’ Orange Tangergreen have very similar flavor
profiles.

We hope this is helpful. We certainly appreciate your patronage and invite you
to visit our Web site again. Best wishes!

Stacey
Industry and Consumer Affairs
The Coca-Cola Company

So does this mean that Screamin’ Orange Tangergreen and Ecto Cooler are very similar, but not one in the same?

Ghosted by LioConvoy @ 08/11/2003 4:23 PM EDT


PS. My bad, Noelle didn’t write it, Stacey did. Whatever. I guess Stacey has more Hi-C authority than Noelle.

Ghosted by LioConvoy @ 08/11/2003 4:27 PM EDT


It sounds to me that That Guy From South Carolina has it figured out. I think they didn’t want to tell people that it was the same drink, so they say it has similar "flavor profiles." Looking at the picture of that ancient can of Citrus Cooler makes me wonder how many times HiC changed the name for the same product. Just 3 times? or more?

I went to buy the Orange Tangergreen (they didn’t have it) and I ended up with Lavaburst instead. Definately just HiC Orange. Did anyone else notice that ALL the HiC flavors at the store have crazy names now? even the plain old fruit punch and orange flavors.

Ghosted by Archer @ 08/11/2003 5:05 PM EDT


Don’t worry about being the only one on the case, keep us posted. Many of us just don’t add comments often…

Ghosted by Brent @ 08/13/2003 11:15 AM EDT


Ecto Cooler fans: the best is yet to come, and I mean really, really soon. All the mysteries will be solved, and the past will be uncovered. It’s Ecto Mania — for real, this time.

Ghosted by Matt @ 08/13/2003 6:20 PM EDT


You’re not writing another article about Ecto Cooler are you Matt? lol

Ghosted by LioConvoy @ 08/14/2003 8:28 PM EDT


You’re not writing another article about Ecto Cooler are you Matt? lol

Ghosted by LioConvoy @ 08/14/2003 8:28 PM EDT


No, he’ll write about rainbow bright cereal again. I actually puked when my mother fed me crispy critters. Still remember the vomit’s cardboard aftertaste.

Ghosted by turkeys can't fly? @ 08/15/2003 4:22 PM EDT


Hey, I don’t know if they have Jewel grocery stores out by you guys, but for those who know of the chain, check out the Jewel brand "Citrus Cooler" fruit juice drink. It is with the Hi-C stuff, and it was always the generic version of Ecto-Cooler, and it is still neon green too. I’d buy it, but right now I’ve only got room in my heart for one green drink, and that’s dnL. I know it doesn’t have slimer, but the stuff always tasted like Ecto-Cooler, and I’d be a good benchmark for any taste test comparisons.

Ghosted by Edward Charles @ 08/17/2003 12:49 PM EDT


I’ve spent the last 3 hours reading all posts on ecto cooler and i too am a curious one

and as far as the UPC codes go…is it posible that Hi-C was just too lazy to make a new code for Tangergreen? I mean, if a product is going to be discontinued, why not just reuse the code? instead of making a whole new code for a renamed slightly changed product, wouldnt reusing a UPC code be mroe resourceful

i need to find Tangergreen now

now now now

Ghosted by BB @ 08/17/2003 2:55 AM EDT


From what I remember, the juice itself was orange in color and the straw that went into the carton was green.

Ghosted by Jonathan @ 08/17/2003 8:14 AM EDT


Ok, I admit, I’ve never even heard of ecto-cooler. Sure I used to watch the real ghostbusters cartoon, had the "ecto plasma slime" but never caught on to slimermania. Maybe the stress of going into junior high was to much.
I know that companies will use the same upc code for a product when they change the name for a short period of time. Don’t know if Americans have something similar,
but in my day mini-sips were the
drink of champions. They sold for 10 cents a piece (before that stupid gst). Basically they were a bag of kool-aid with about 35x the sugar. Used to ride my bmx for hrs!

Ghosted by turkeys can't fly? @ 08/17/2003 3:59 PM EDT


Glad to find out the truth about what happened to the drink I loved so dear… now if only I could find it here in Canada. Damnation! Guess whenever I make another trip to the US, I’ll have to stock up.

…"Orange Tangergreen", though? Sure, it’s got the "truth in advertising" thing going for it, but…

LBD "Nytetrayn"

Ghosted by LBD "Nytetrayn" @ 08/20/2003 2:56 AM EDT


omg i loved ecto cooler yes it was green! i have been looking for it everywhere. I think we should all email hi-c to tell them to make it again. i miss the stuff it was so yummy. http://www.minutemaid.com/mm_contact/index.html

Ghosted by AZ KITTY @ 03/19/2004 10:02 PM EST


omg i loved ecto cooler yes it was green! i have been looking for it everywhere. I think we should all email hi-c to tell them to make it again. i miss the stuff it was so yummy. http://www.minutemaid.com/mm_contact/index.html

Ghosted by AZ KITTY @ 03/19/2004 10:02 PM EST


this is gay!!!

Ghosted by dude @ 04/06/2004 11:39 AM EDT


this is gay!!!

Ghosted by dude @ 04/06/2004 11:40 AM EDT


this is gay!!!

Ghosted by dude @ 04/06/2004 11:40 AM EDT


You can buy ecto cooler online at : http://www.netgrocer.com/detail.cfm?oid=137309&smallFrm=yes

This link should take you to an online grocery site and u can order orange tangergreen but the item description is a picture of the ecto cooler!

Ghosted by Bootleg Greg @ 04/29/2004 10:03 AM EDT


I actually have a glass of ector cooler in my hand, it is neon green, I actually have a 2 gallon jug of it in my refrigerator, id take a picture but I dont have my camera.

its a generic brand called Citrus Cooler, its been around since back in the day :)

Ghosted by jeff @ 06/02/2004 11:43 PM EDT


Carboquim is a small tiny Argentinean company that has been a supplier for the past 20 years of locally produced activated carbon to IMASA and later to PDM (a subsidiar.y of Corn Products International) PDM recently cut ties with Carboquim as its supplier of activated carbon to decolorize the 55HFCS syrup produced at Chacabuco and used by Pepsi and Coke. PDM has substituted the GRAS steam activated carbon made in Argentina, by a chemically activated carbon imported from China. The concern is that this Chinese activated carbon is chemically activated using Zinc Chloride. This type of activation does not render the activated carbon as safe for food applications.

Carboquim would like to make aware of these facts to who ever it may be of concerned at Coke organization. This is because PDM may not be aware of the risks of using a Zinc Chloride chemically activated carbon that is not food grade. PDM is not importing the chemically activated carbon; instead they are buying locally from an import company called Godfrid. Godfrid only sells to PDM.

See the dangers by doing a search in google:
"zinc chloride""activated carbon"danger

Ghosted by tony at tepoel7@yahoo.com @ 07/17/2004 4:51 PM EDT


Man I miss the Ecto. And I would gladly drink whichever Hi-C is nearest to it, or whatever, but I can’t even find those flavors at my grocery store. I have actually spent a year and a half obsessed everytime I go anywhere looking for that stuff. I’ve even tried all the old sleazy gas stations and stuff that don’t turn over stock very well, hoping that maybe I could come across one.

Ghosted by OSUpokesgirl72 @ 10/29/2004 7:47 AM EDT


Uh… its 2006 now, and I want ecto cooler… its not on ebay, and not on that link above… there still must be some on the back of some shelf somewhere out there… if you find it let me know.

Ghosted by I want it now @ 11/14/2006 12:15 AM EST


Cooler good.

Ghosted by Bad Bad Man @ 02/22/2007 12:21 AM EST


The plot gets more thick…

Ghosted by Slimer @ 03/09/2007 5:05 PM EST


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